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    Posted: 22 Jun 2021 at 2:39pm
From the Avidyne Facebook page. Note that they didn't say in Q3 of what year. 

There are two features I care about in this release, and one I might care about in the future; for most of the rest, it's clear that single-engine piston GA isn't the target audience.

Today at AEA in Dallas, TX we are previewing our AviOS 10.3 Software will be certified in Q3.
Key features of AviOS 10.3 Software for IFD include:
  • Visual Approaches
  • VNAV (Advisory Vertical guidance in Enroute & Descent)
  • Support for Tandem/Remote VHF COM/NAV tuning in dual installations.
  • Support for Oceanic mode (changes CDI deflection to 4nm when greater than 200nm from any airport)
  • Power Lines added to database
  • RADALT display (via 429)
  • Extended support for Flight Operational Quality Assurance (FOQA)
  • Support for Twin Engine aircraft on Fuel Calc Page
  • Ability to import user waypoints from CSV file
  • Map Zoom down to 1/2 mile
  • Certified TAWS & HTAWs (option)
  • 3-arc Second Terrain Data (option)
More info will be made available closer to certification!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chflyer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jun 2021 at 3:48pm
Oh Oh :-( 
I don't see RF legs in that list !!! AvitSteve has assured that it's in there, so fingers crossed on the "more info".

OTOH, enroute/descent VNAV guidance will be nice.

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Have no fear.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gring Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jun 2021 at 6:27am
steve,

Can you explain the VNAV feature enhancement?  Will this be compatible with the GFC500/600 autopilots?  Today we have VNAV profiles implemented in the most basic form, what does this release add?
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With this release the IFD will produce vertical deviations during enroute descent.  There is a limited set of equipment that will consume those labels, though.  GFC is not among them.  If you have a 550, you'll be able to see the deviations on the SVS page.
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Will the DFC90 be able to use the new VNAV capabilities, and if so, how?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AviSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jun 2021 at 4:32pm
Originally posted by roemeister roemeister wrote:

Will the DFC90 be able to use the new VNAV capabilities, and if so, how?
At some point maybe, but not now.
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is the Aspen Max PFD one of them that will show the enroute VNAV. Not that I really need it from my lowly cruise altitude. 
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Curious whether there's any updated guidance on when to expect 10.3 to be available? :)
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Originally posted by jimmyz80 jimmyz80 wrote:

Curious whether there's any updated guidance on when to expect 10.3 to be available? :)

I assume you mean "for the in-panel IFD units".  ;-)

It would seem that the AviOS 10.3 is already certified in some way (and in Q3!) since it has been released in the IFD100, IFD Trainer, and IFD Trainer xp.

What we're still missing is the software update for the in-panel units. That didn't make it for Q3 2021. Given its presence in the ithingy apps mentioned above we hopefully won't need to wait until Q3 2022 for the in-panel version.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote paulr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2021 at 7:52am
At this point I've switched from "active waiting" to "it'll arrive when it arrives" mode. I know the Avi team wants it out ASAP, and I'm sure they're doing everything they can to get it, but given that the FAA is involved, there's no point in me waiting with my nose pressed up against the door looking for the mailman at this point.
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starting to wonder if it is vaporware...

I saw a note someplace that this software upgrade will require a 337 due to the changes, anybody know if that is correct?
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Originally posted by PA23 PA23 wrote:

I saw a note someplace that this software upgrade will require a 337 due to the changes, anybody know if that is correct?

That's bizarre; I wonder who came up with *that*. No, it won't require a 337. See FAR 43 Appendix A for the definition of what a "major alteration" is and you'll see that "avionics software version updates" don't count.[1]

[1] now, you can reasonably ask why Rosen visors *do* require a 337, since clearly they aren't a major alteration according to FAR 43… but they do. Go figure. FAA logic.
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I think the Rosen visors require a 337 because they are an STC.  Now, why they are an STC rather than a minor modification, I don't know.
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Originally posted by Gring Gring wrote:

I think the Rosen visors require a 337 because they are an STC.  Now, why they are an STC rather than a minor modification, I don't know.


Because somebody thought it was a good idea, maybe they figured they could reach part 135 operators?  Some shops want an STC for EVERYTHING or they won't touch it, as far as they are concerned minor modifications don't exist.

I think the note about a 337 for the 10.3 software was posted on Facebook by one of the Avidyne folks, but I am unable to find the posting.  I too thought it was odd but then again maybe some additional capabilities make it 337 worthy?  If that's the case I'll have my IA sign off on it, he has to sign the logbook anyway for the software upgrade.


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Originally posted by chflyer chflyer wrote:

Originally posted by jimmyz80 jimmyz80 wrote:

Curious whether there's any updated guidance on when to expect 10.3 to be available? :)

I assume you mean "for the in-panel IFD units".  ;-)

It would seem that the AviOS 10.3 is already certified in some way (and in Q3!) since it has been released in the IFD100, IFD Trainer, and IFD Trainer xp.

What we're still missing is the software update for the in-panel units. That didn't make it for Q3 2021. Given its presence in the ithingy apps mentioned above we hopefully won't need to wait until Q3 2022 for the in-panel version.

Maybe I missed it; I currently don’t have access to the App Store. Did Avidyne release the AviOS 10.3 version of the IFD100?
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I don't think so.... a bit of a typo. I thought I'd seen posts related to it, but now I think not.

Avidyne has recently clarified the naming of the apps though, and the following appear in the app store at the time of this posting:
Avidyne IFD100 10.2 (AviOS 10.2)
IFD Trainer (AviOS 10.3)
IFD Trainer Xp (AviOS 10.3 Xp)



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What is the IFD Trainer Xp ?

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It‘s the version for use with xplane. Start it up and you‘ll see instructions for use with xplane. Haven‘t tried it yet, but Steve has a note here that it allows use of the ipad with xplane as if it were installed in the panel, incl vhf nav
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Ah, don't have X-Plane. Using Prepar3D.

I'm just building a new flight sim machine (Ryzen 5900x/64Gb/2Tb M.2), so will have lots of room, may have a look.

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When you get that far, check the "Trainer app for xplane" thread which has a discussion of specifics related to this.
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Just to clarify. This update doesn't make my GFC500 fly the glideslope of an approach (VNAV)?

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I haven't seen this on the list of features at any point-- so unless they've snuck it in within the last couple of months, no, this won't be included.
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Originally posted by arkvet arkvet wrote:

Just to clarify. This update doesn't make my GFC500 fly the glideslope of an approach (VNAV)?

IFD 550 / dual G5's / GFC 500

AFAIK - if the RNAV GPS approach satus is LPV, LP+V, LNAV/VNAV, or LNAV+V, the GFC500 will currently follow the glidepath guidance in the APR mode. As I understand it, the VNAV enhancements coming in AviOS 10.3 relate to enroute VNAV guidance (i.e. manually input crossing restrictions, RNAV STAR crossing restrictions, etc.) which the current AviOS does not depict or send autopilot/flight director guidance for.


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Yeah when's this sucker coming out finally?

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Originally posted by doog doog wrote:

Yeah when's this sucker coming out finally?
In the near-decade I've been on this forum, Avidyne reps have posted a number of times when they expected a hardware or software product to be released.

I can recall exactly ZERO times when such a prediction came true.  In more than one case, they were off by over a year, including with this 10.3 release.  At one time, there was "a possibility" it would be released before the end of 2019.  Then, in late 2019, "It will be released next year."  Now, at the end of 2021, it's still not out.  Thus the (not so funny) joke by the OP that "they didn't say [Q3 of] what year".

The takeaway is, it doesn't matter if Avidyne gives us a date or not.  The product will arrive when it arrives.


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lol... that is so true! 
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I got an email a few days ago with the update.  I am surprised it has not been posted on here.

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so 10.3 has been released for update?
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Originally posted by P35Pilot P35Pilot wrote:

I got an email a few days ago with the update.  I am surprised it has not been posted on here.

Y.L.


I'm sorry, what update was that?

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Originally posted by P35Pilot P35Pilot wrote:

I got an email a few days ago with the update.  I am surprised it has not been posted on here.

Y.L.
I'm not sure what update you're referring to.  Nevertheless, 10.3 IFD software has (still) not yet been released.
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It was on the Avidyne users fb.  Maybe it is a scam and if so I am glad I posted so you guys are aware of it.page I joined.



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Look at the date of the original posting AND the version, this is for 10.2 not 10.3.

note I learned something about Avidyne's software numbering recently, and probably isn't news to most but...

10.X.Y.Z

10 - IFD platform
X - Major version number
Y - minor version number
Z - bug fix/engineering fix?
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Sorry for the misinformation.  It showed up at top of my page and I got excited.

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Does the FAA act like a QA team, testing it and sending it back if they find bugs?  Or do they just ensure that the developer is following some onerous code documentation process?  It seems insane that it would be so slow/long to release this fairly limited feature set.  Doesn't give me warm fuzzies that Vantage is going to be along any time soon.

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FAA primarily looks at documentation for compliance to applicable specs and regulations.  They do some auditing and sometimes are involved in flight testing.  Just to be clear, the FAA is not currently the source of the delay for 10.3.
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Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

FAA primarily looks at documentation for compliance to applicable specs and regulations.  They do some auditing and sometimes are involved in flight testing.  Just to be clear, the FAA is not currently the source of the delay for 10.3.

I don't know all the steps in the update lifecycle, but at some point I assume it gets tested, and then beta tested, and then at some point submitted to the FAA for approval, etc.

Where in the process is the 10.3 update?
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"Just to be clear, the FAA is not currently the source of the delay for 10.3"

Can you expound on the cause of delay?  It's been blamed on the FAA for months now pending their approval supposedly since June/July, but this makes it sounds like it's Avidyne's choice?

If Avidyne's decision, why?

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I suspect that 10.3 will be available, when it is released.

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For the record, Avidyne has not blamed the delay on the FAA.  I won't go into the details, but I can assure you that it's not a choice.  We're not "sitting on the release", if that's what you're thinking.  
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