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310pilot ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Apr 2015 Location: Louisville, KY Status: Offline Points: 102 |
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I wanted to compile a list of IFD problems I have experienced to make sure you are aware of them and/or have any fixes. The first three I consider safety related.
-Direct to FAF, no OBS (addressed by AD) -No Glideslope on several GPS approaches when Garmin gave glideslope on these approaches -No "Traffic Not Avail" when using TIS-A and outside of coverage area --not compatible with Freeflight RANGR Adsb-In when advertised to use "Capstone Interface" -VSR does not work -Does not provide groundspeed properly to Garmin 330 transponder therefore transponder will Not automatically goto STBY Mode -intermittently unable to acquire GPS signal on startup, must reboot to fix -when pressing on airspace, displays altitudes but does not highlight section of airspace those altitudes pertain to |
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AviJake ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Location: Lincoln MA Status: Offline Points: 2815 |
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For the reading community, we had a good and frank discussion with David at SnF on some of these topics. His reports are very credible.
Direct to FAF - agree in that it's addressed by Emer AD. FAA tells us to expect cert this coming week. No glideslope on several GPS approaches when Garmin provided them - David needs to remind me of the specific approaches but if I remember correctly, we determined that it wasn't actually a problem but instead, was masked by the other GPS issues resolved in 10.1. BUT, let's re-confirm that my memory is correct by sending the approaches affected. No "Traffic Not Avail" message when using TIS-A outside of coverage area - David was the first guy to highlight that issue to us. To date, we have not resolved that since 10.1 was in the hopper a long time ago with the FAA. Not Compatible with RANGR despite the Capstone "standard" interface - not addressed now, or possibly anytime soon/ever based on the fact that a Capstone standard is actually a complete fallacy and there is no true standard. It might happen but I'm not optimistic. VSR does not work - I forgot what David described his specific problem was but I bet this is totally resolved in Rel 10.1. 330 transponder problem - beats me. I should probably generate a better answer and may get in trouble for this but....I'm sick of trying to make something work with Garmin. Sometimes unable to lock onto GPS at startup - fixed by 10.1, I promise. Airspace does not highlight - true. I know the GTN does it and I agree it's a good feature. But it hasn't risen high enough on our priority list to find itself in a release definition yet. |
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Steve Jacobson
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310pilot ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Apr 2015 Location: Louisville, KY Status: Offline Points: 102 |
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Thanks Jake. Best part of the IFD are the people supporting it (except for the person that decided not to integrate with Freeflight after saying you would :) )
I am hopeful 10.1 will indeed address most of these items. |
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oskrypuch ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 09 Nov 2012 Location: CYFD Status: Offline Points: 3062 |
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Of course it may not happen, but if it does - - do you mean the full 10.1 update, or just a single fix addressing the AD, a 10.0.4.0 type of thing? * Orest |
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mkellock ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Feb 2015 Location: Tampa, FL Status: Offline Points: 25 |
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I'd really like to see this feature.
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chflyer ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2013 Location: LSZK Status: Offline Points: 1054 |
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I'm getting airspace warnings when it doesn't affect me at my altitude. Fixing that seems more important to me. If I'm going to fly under an airspace with a reasonable cushion, say at 5'000 ft under an airspace that has a 7'500 ft floor, then it is only a bother to repeatedly get an airspace warning.
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AviJake ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Location: Lincoln MA Status: Offline Points: 2815 |
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We did tweak the airspace alert warning algorithm in Rel 10.1. It will be interesting to hear if you see a meaningful improvement.
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+1
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BobsV35B ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 2011 Location: Downers Grove, Status: Offline Points: 131 |
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Good Evening 310 pilot, Are the glide paths you are missing the Plus V ones? Are you aware that the "plus V" glide paths have no official FAA standing and that if you follow such a glide path below the MDA without first determining that you have the required visibility and/or required runway components in sight you are in violation of the applicable regulations. There is at least one Plus V approach in the database which will take you into trees on the approach if flown below the MDA. Those are non precision approaches and need to be flown as such. Happy Skies, Old Bob |
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Gring ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 2011 Location: Kingston, NY Status: Offline Points: 740 |
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Bob, is that the approach into Sidney, NY you are referring to?
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BobsV35B ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 2011 Location: Downers Grove, Status: Offline Points: 131 |
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That's the one! Happy Skies, Old Bob |
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310pilot ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Apr 2015 Location: Louisville, KY Status: Offline Points: 102 |
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Bob
Thanks for the reply. The example you give is certainly one that sounds like it could get a lot of pilots in trouble and that the FAA needs to recheck the approach in question. You state that that danger exists "below" MDA. At that point, no matter how you got to MDA you need to be visual anyways. Historical data has proven that "dive and drive" to MDA are less safe than a stabilized glide path. Because of this, the company that I fly for has eliminated "dive and drive" approaches. We must always follow a "glideslope". |
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BobsV35B ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 2011 Location: Downers Grove, Status: Offline Points: 131 |
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BobsV35B ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 2011 Location: Downers Grove, Status: Offline Points: 131 |
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Do NOT believe this is the right place for this discussion, but I do
believe 310pilot fails to understand the difference between an ILS or LPV
approach and one of those things NOT BLESSED BY the FAA called LNAV + V
approaches. That is NOT a glideslope and following it below the MDA is not only
not legal, but can lead to contact with obstacles. I will happily argue
concerning the relative safety of various types of approaches, but this is NOT
the venue for that discussion. Further discussion at BobsV35B@aol.com?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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AviJake ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Location: Lincoln MA Status: Offline Points: 2815 |
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All interesting points. I do know 310pilot personally and know that he is a Professional pilot flying big iron for a major carrier so I bet he's well versed in those distinctions.
I say this just to help shine some perspective light and hopefully as Bob notes, keep that kind of dialog/debate out of this forum. |
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310pilot ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Apr 2015 Location: Louisville, KY Status: Offline Points: 102 |
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+3 in regards to this discussion strayed from the purpose of this forum. The intent of "+V" was to make non precision approaches safer.....you certainly do not have to use it as you are protected either way to MDA. To return to topic my point was simply "+V" was available with my old Garmin, was advertised to work with the Avidyne and currently does not. I am glad to hear that 10.1 will fix.....
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BobsV35B ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 2011 Location: Downers Grove, Status: Offline Points: 131 |
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We are beating a dead horse here, but my IFD 540 (installed last October) does bring up most +V approaches just as did the Garmin and UPSAT box. The difference is that Avidyne has provided the capability to not show them for those of us who prefer to only have real glidepaths shown, not those that have no standing with the FAA. Is there any possibility that you have deactivated the +V approaches on your 540? Happy Skies, Old Bob |
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roltman ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 04 Aug 2011 Status: Offline Points: 173 |
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I also agree it doesn't belong here, but couldn't let it end with such a dangerous and false statement. The TERPS do not make provisions for +V as it is defined as "advisory guidance". It will not guarantee you are protected from MDA and please don't spread the thought that it does. I think this what Bob and now me are trying to drive home. +V guidance can and has driven people into obstacles. Quoting from a Garmin Blog: "Garmin defines LNAV+V as Lateral Navigation with Advisory Vertical Guidance. This is an LNAV approach with an advisory vertical guidance, which is usually in the 3 degree range and is provided to assist the pilot in maintaining a constant vertical glidepath. Because it is advisory in nature and not an approach minimum the pilot is responsible for maintaining approach step down altitudes and obstacle clearance." |
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310pilot ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Apr 2015 Location: Louisville, KY Status: Offline Points: 102 |
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The advisory glideslope in my circumstance was determined not to display correctly because it needs corrected pressure altitude. 10.1 will allow the IFD to use GPS derived altitude and therefore will correctly display the glideslope.
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310pilot ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Apr 2015 Location: Louisville, KY Status: Offline Points: 102 |
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Please read my post more closely. You are protected TO MDA irregardless how you descend prior to the MAP. I never said in any circumstance are you protected FROM MDA unless you meet the FAR requirements associated with descending FROM MDA
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roltman ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 04 Aug 2011 Status: Offline Points: 173 |
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I guess what I'm saying is you are not protected from hitting obstacles when using the "+V" advisory glidepath prior to reaching the MDA on an LNAV+V approach. |
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oskrypuch ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 09 Nov 2012 Location: CYFD Status: Offline Points: 3062 |
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OK, you need to explain what you're thinking there. As long as you are above the MDA, and past the FAF (and any stepdown fixes), then you are protected by definition (and then some), as you remain above the MDA. The +V construct is a very useful yardstick to help you descend in an orderly fashion to the MDA. Of course you may choose to descend a little faster, so you can linger at the MDA. But, in the absence of the +V guidance you would need to do some math to compute a CDAP profile to stay at, or below. But even then, Avidyne has it covered, with a VSR computed on all NPA. Of note, in Canada, now on a flight test you MUST use a CDAP type method to assist in flying a NPA. The +V is just another tool, and needs to be used correctly. Any tool, used incorrectly, can lead you into trouble. * Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 15 Jun 2015 at 6:15pm |
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roltman ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 04 Aug 2011 Status: Offline Points: 173 |
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Orest, 310pilot, et al.
I actually spoke too soon prior to checking the latest TERPs. +V "advisory" guidance should be implemented per the TERPs definition for the Visual Descent Angle (VDA). It appears in 2009 there was a correction to 8260.3b concerning VDA calculations where intermediate step down altitudes could be busted prior to the MDA. I failed to keep up with the snail pace of our FAA in the case. Sorry guys for any problems. |
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