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ddgates
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Posted: 10 Aug 2016 at 12:35pm |
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Can y'all (Avidyne) post a list of non-proprietary ADS-B devices known to be compatible with the IFD series please?
EDIT: Would you please.....? Thank you.
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ddgates
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Bump.
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David Gates
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LANCE
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I'm sure as time permits they'll update their website
http://www.avidyne.com/products/ifd/compatible-interfaces.html
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ddgates
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Lance:
They have no ADS-B boxes on that list. Again, I ask the question of Avidyne to facilitate decision making, "Please post a list of ADS-B boxes known to work with the IFD series". Edited by ddgates - 13 Aug 2016 at 10:01am |
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AviJake
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The following list is true as of Release 10.2:
MLB100 ADS-B Weather and Traffic SkyTrax 100 ADS-B Weather and Traffic GTX345 ADS-B Weather and Traffic GTX330ES ADS-B Traffic
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ddgates
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Thank you, sir.
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David Gates
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310pilot
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What about Freeflight RANGR??
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AviJake
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We couldn't get it to work during our 10.2 development phase so we had to drop it from this release.
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310pilot
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You have got to be kidding me!! I got the Freeflight because Avidyne was saying it would work , prewired and reprewired (when they did it wrong)....now it still won't work?
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AviJake
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Not kidding.
It sucks. Jared will solve your problem.
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Steve Jacobson
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paulr
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Steve, is there any difference between the MLB100 and the SkyTrax 100 other than the name change?
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AviSimpson
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I'm not Steve but I can answer your question. There is no difference between the MLB100 and the SkyTrax100, it was just a marketing name change.
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comancheguy
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This list appears to be ADS-B In?
I assume for out that most of the ads-b boxes can use the 540 position data and that just takes a wire or two?
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mfb
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It's not a good idea to assume anything around here.
The IFD540 is capable of feeding WAAS position information to ADS-B out devices. However, to be legal, the STC for the ADS-B out box must specifically mention the IFD540 as an approved position source. My understanding is that a few manufacturers have been reluctant to include Avidyne on their STC lists. Mike
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AviJake
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I would say Mike is mostly correct.
The IFD family of boxes will output ADS-B compliant GPS position for various ADS-B Out transponders to use. Those transponders can use that GPS output just fine and be donating their position into the ADS-B network and look and feel like full-up ADS-B participants including being able to receive ADS-B data from other network participants (presuming a piece of equipment capable of receiving that ADS-B data is on the airplane). The "to be legal" part is where I would say he isn't completely correct. The FAA mandate (the "legal" thing here) requires an FAA recognition of compatible compliance by Dec 31, 2019. That typically is delivered via an STC vehicle (but it doesn't have to be). So, between now and Dec 31, 2019, you can basically do whatever you want and not be "illegal". That nuanced set of statements is important operationally. You are a full-up ADS-B participant with an IFD and an ADS-B Out transponder combo, now. You just need to make sure, presuming the FAA doesn't change their rules between now and then, that by Dec 31 2019, you have a combination of GPS position source (e.g. IFD540, IFD440, etc) and ADS-B Out transponder that is a FAA-recognized acceptable pair. As of Release 10.2, that will include: IFD4XX/5XX - AXP322 IFD4XX/5XX - AXP340 IFD4XX/5XX - GTX330ES IFD4XX/5XX - GTX345 Avidyne is the one obtaining the STC that supports those combos. I would agree with Mike that other vendors are understandably reluctant to seek more STCs that include Avidyne navigators and/or transponders. They do this for reasons that make business sense to them. There are other combos that involve Avidyne supplied navigators like R9 and other combos that involve Garmin supplied navigators and Avidyne supplied transponders but I will leave those out of this IFD-centric post. An important note is that some installers inappropriately take a position that until there is a STC that shows the navigator-transponder combo is FAA recognized as 2020 mandate ADS-B Out compliant, then it is not a legal installation. They are wrong, plain and simple. But, sometimes, you are just pushing on a rope in spite of actual facts and so the mis-perceptions propagate. A lot of that will be moot as soon as the STCs are in place in the very near future. Make sense? |
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comancheguy
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Yep. I'll keep right on waiting...
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wookie
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AviJake, Ok this is (good) news to me.
I am asked about this a lot in BPT classes; you surely know that Avidyne is a BPT sponsor! Thanks! When considering a plug & play swap of 530W to IFD-5XX, the question of the need to replace the GTX-330 transponder & ES upgrades usually arises. It is a negative in that one can't simply do the 330 ES upgrade to get ADS-B. And there are a lot of 530/430 stacks out there that include the 330. I wasn't aware that the 540 could be a legal position source for the 330 until seeing this. This certainly would remove an important barrier for doing the upgrade. So with precision, could you answer these questions: 1. Version 10.2 is required--what version of 330ES software is supported? 2. Is there a citable STC for the interface? Before 2020? Is it the same STC as the 322 and other transponders? Are we absolutely sure the 330ES & 345 interconnect won't drop off the plate? 3. When will we have 10.2 ? :-) Bill Hale |
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KIM
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What's about the Trig TT31? And is this Level B or Level C as the GTNs? |
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bobcain
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And.....
What about a UAT? Some of us don't get that excited about the big brother nature of mode S. I'll keep my mode C and make sure I have anonymous mode available.
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wookie
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You would want to check that the UAT 978 device has anonymous mode. I asked at the navworx booth and they said they don't support it.
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ronl
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Is an "anonymous mode" actually allowed? I didn't think it was.
It's not just "big brother" that will be able to track us, it will be anyone and everyone. This is a serious concern of mine about ADS-B. Corporate competitors, gossip columnists, stalkers, etc will be able to track where people are going and when. Would John Q. Public stand for this is it were being applied to our cars? |
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comancheguy
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I agree.
Although, I think that your Mode-c can be used in the same way. (there is a unique code). But, it's not as easy. Ken
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wookie
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I believe the GDL88 does have anonymous mode. Only when squaking 1200. BH
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Jake/Simpson,
Any progress on getting the IFD 540/440 units to interface with the Lynx NGT-9000R remote ADS-B transponder? Lynx tells me they have provided Avidyne all the info, and it is now in Avidyne's court. I have to use a remote transponder in my Cirrus since I took up space with the 540 upgrade. The AXP322 remote transponder isn't certified for ADS-B out so that isn't a solution for me.
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Catani
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This question is the topic of this thread: http://forums.avidyne.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=849&PN=2&title=connecting-with-an-ngt-9000 The thread was hijacked along the way but got back on track towards the end of it, where the final word was L3 support is not included in the 10.2 software update. It's great to know that all the coordination going on between L3 and Avidyne has resulted in the full cooperation of L3. Hopefully those of us with L3 9000's are now much closer to having L3 and IFD's fully communicating on whatever version of CAPSTONE is applicable. Software update 10.2.1 perhaps?
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Ibraham
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Your 1090Mhz ADS-B SolutionCoupled with Avidyne’s IFD540 or IFD440, the AXP322 provides full ADS-B surveillance capability to meet the upcoming mandates for flight above and below FL180 in the U.S. and internationally. The AXP322 transmits the required ADS-B Out signals including your aircraft’s GPS-derived position via 1090MHz, along with ground track, ground speed and altitude information. Add in Avidyne’s SkyTrax100 978MHz ADS-B Receiver and you will be able to receive FIS-B weather and ADS-B/ADS-R traffic for optimal situational awareness and safety. |
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oskrypuch
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As has been posted elsewhere, there is NO STC required for ADS-B out transponders, until 2020. Avidyne will have the paperwork out with the version 10.2 release, it will include the 340, 322 and the Garmin 330ES and 335/345. I had a 340 installed, and then a 322, both with my IFD540, and flew with both. Both checked out 100% with the FAA check. * Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 24 Aug 2016 at 6:07pm |
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AUXAIR
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As do mine. |
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George
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Does anyone have the KT-74 installed. I have it with the IFD 540 and
it passes all the test ok. Will it be STC'd.
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DavidBunin
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NavWorx had anonymous mode in their original (experimental) products. The authority forced them to remove it during the certification process. The code is still in their archive and will be released in a future software. So it would be more accurate to say that the unit doesn't have anonymous mode right now. (Not that NavWorx doesn't support it.) David Bunin |
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DavidBunin
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Jake, I notice that those are all 1090ES solutions for ADS-B Out compliance. My understanding is that release 10.2 will also include some back-process GPS improvements that will allow the IFD to be a position source for a UAT solution for ADS-B Out compliance. While it's very nice, I understand that Avidyne is not responsible for pursuing STC support for any of this. My understanding is that STC approval of any position source is the responsibility of the manufacturer of the ADS-B transmitter. So I applaud you and Avidyne for going above-and-beyond in this regard. David Bunin |
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DavidBunin
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The GTX330ES does not receive ADS-B traffic. It only receives "old fashioned" 1030MHz TIS traffic, and only in locations that provide TIS data via terminal radar. David Bunin Edited by DavidBunin - 26 Aug 2016 at 9:27am |
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AviJake
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Yes, thanks for the GTX330ES correction. I guess I should have genericized the title and said here are non-active traffic sources as of 10.2.
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wookie
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I see on the Navworx website that anonymous mode is supported for the 600B. The documentation for the box does not mention it. BH
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DavidBunin
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I'll start by saying that while I am a fan, I do not agree with everything NavWorx does or says. In particular, their web site can be a source of frustration (both for them and for their customers). It is my opinion that in this case, the word "supported" has little meaning. The anonymous mode is not EMBODIED in the current product. It doesn't DO anonymous mode today. Is the hardware capable of supporting it? Certainly. Do I think the functionality will appear in a future software release? Yes, I do. When? Don't get me to lying.
The lack of mention in the documentation is ... accurate, if not enlightening. David Bunin |
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