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Cruiser
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I turned OFF the RS-232 INPUTs for weather and this seems to have solved the traffic problem. |
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Ibraham
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That is totally unacceptable, the fact that Avidyne does not have a traffic alert system based on TIS-B. Yet they advertise total ADS-B solutions. that is a total fail on the Avidyne's part.
We invested a large sum of money in Avidyne avionics based on the information available at the time indicating aural traffic alerts on the IFD 440, then Avidyne removed that essential function.
What's the use of a traffic system with no aural alerts. |
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AviSteve
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Depending upon your installation, the pilot guide could be incorrect. If your traffic system generates aural alerts and the audio output from the traffic system is wired into the audio system, you will get aural traffic alerts. Otherwise, you will not. I'll take the action to clarify the pilots guide.
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Ibraham
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Steve The Skytrax 100 we have installed is providing traffic information to the IFD 440, with revision 10.2 we have been getting aural traffic alerts that were removed by rev 10.2.1 due to TSO as was reported by Avidyne. With the Freeflight unit that is now being promoted by Avidyne, will the IFD 440 rev 10.2.1 provide aural traffic alerts for TIS-B traffic from the Freeflight unit as described in the IFD 440 Pilot Guide rev 10.2.1 PAGE 3-35, or is the info in the pilot guide incorrect? When integrated with an optional traffic system (e.g. TAS, TIS, TCAS, TIS-B), the IFD will display traffic information for sensed aircraft and provide aural and visual alerting for traffic considered a threat
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AviSteve
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The Freeflight unit does not provide aural traffic alerts.
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Ibraham
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Steve,
Will the Freeflight ADS-B in that is being promoted by Avidyne have the TSO to allow the IFD 440 the option for aural traffic alerts? Thanks |
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AviSteve
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Here are some things from engineering to check. If those don't pan out, you should consult either with tech support or your shop about that configuration.
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Cruiser
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still looking for some help on the traffic configuration.
My IFD 540 is showing TFC with a red circle w/slash thru it in the upper center of the screen. IFD 540 ARINC 429 IN is set to GDL 88 Traffic GTX 345 ARINC 429 OUT is set to TRAFFIC This configuration worked BEFORE the 10.2.1.0 upgrade. |
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Ibraham
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On the RS-232 Channel Input and Channel Output
Capstone Trfc+Wx: Garmin GTX 345 and other 3rd party compatible ADS-B traffic and weather devices. |
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Cruiser
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can someone share the correct configuration between the Garmin GTX 345 and the Avidyne IFD 540 for TRAFFIC over the ARINC 429 line? I had traffic over this connection with version 10.2.0 after the upgrade to 10.2.1.0 I no longer get TRAFFIC. The configuration settings were not changed. |
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Ibraham
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The Skytrax 100 was built by Navworx before they went out of business, which is the reason Avidyne can't update the software on the MLB/Skytrax 100. That is a big failure on the part of Avidyne. The Garmin GTX 345 has aural alerts including position and altitude. I wish it was fully compatible (or future compatible) with the IFD 440 and EX5000 MFD, otherwise I would dump the AXP340 and Skytrax100 and install the GTX 345 (one less antenna and dual link ADS-B in) The AXP340 is manufactured by TRIG avionics. |
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dmtidler
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The CAS logic and messaging appears to be the same...just no “Traffic” aural. I still get the full caution (yellow) CAS message including relative o’clock position, distance, and high/low. I’m running sw 10.2.1.0 with a SkyTrax100 (RS232 for both traffic and weather).
If “Traffic” will not be specifically announced, I think it would be great to have a user specific optional caution distinct aural tone to bring any IFD generated caution CAS message to the pilot’s immediate attention. |
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DavidBunin
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I will be as polite as possible and simply say that I am very unhappy. This change in the behavior of the avionics was/is a real surprise. I do not recall ever before losing an expected safety feature in an "upgrade". Also, I have yet to see a real reply from Avidyne stating that the CAS logic and messaging remains the same. Will I still get "traffic 12 o'clock high" for example? Honestly, this is stopping me from doing the software update right now. |
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AviTJ
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Shoot us an email to techsupport@avidyne.com
We can send you the IM if you need it.
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George
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So why the secret IM. I received the update 10.2.1 and it went fine.
I'm am A&P and have done all the releases. I see the IM as an integral part of the install. I wasn't given access to the new IM. I suppose it just worked out.
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George
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oskrypuch
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Yes, there are three or four values that have CHANGED from the prior version. If using the old version, they will apparently not match in the conformity test. But, they actually do.
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jimmyz80
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I met up with an A&P friend of mine today, and we went through the 10.2.1 installation procedure on my 440/540 units. Everything went well, and I'd say it only took 30-40min per unit, coming from 10.2.0. The only sticking point for us was that the Service Bulletin requires the installer to do a post-install check based on the IFD Installation Guide version 10 or later. My googling around only turned up version 9.
I put a call into to Avidyne tech support and TJ was awesome enough to help us get our hands on the latest copy of the document. So far it looks like everything is functional as before, and I'm looking forward to doing some flying with the new version later this week. Big thanks to the team!
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bobcain
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I will add to the voices that would like the updated IM. These details are important for us that tend to not work with a shop so much as have a A&P/IA look over our shoulder.
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94S
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The r13 version of the IM that pertains to 10.2.1 does exist. I've seen it. I don't understand why it's not publicly available, at least to registered owners if not everyone. It would be very helpful in planning panel upgrades, and even in deciding to buy an IFD or not, to have access to the IM so that a buyer can know (for those that want to know) what the shop knows and be able to speak intelligently with them. I like to be an informed buyer and owner.
Avidyne, why the change?
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chflyer
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Are you sure that a new IM has been released for 10.2.1 and moved to restricted access? I suspect that there is just the service bulletin for the upgrade, but not (yet) an updated IM.
My recollection is that the IM was publicly available in the downloads section because I always downloaded it when a new one came out, but it definitely has disappeared. I don't know why the SB's aren't also publicly available. They can't be used without the new software, and that can be restricted to Avidyne approved avionics shops. Both the IM and SB contain important information for owner/operators when planning panel changes (e.g. adding or changing external interfaced equipment) and trouble-shooting issues before paying an avionics shop to do work.
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compasst
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My question relates to the entire installation manual for the IFD, not the instructions for the software update. There are things that change in the instruction manual, such as the WiFi setup, that we users need to have in hand so we can be informed before we try to make user-configurable features such as WiFi and Bluetooth work. And, it is nice to have the manual handy when one makes a query of an installer who might not have the latest version available, such as when integrating G5 electronic instruments that depend on many settings that are only contained in the installation manual. If the G5 installer is not an Avidyne dealer, he has no access to the installation manual that is currently posted only on the dealer site. Incidentally, the early versions of this manual were on the documents site of Avidyne and were not restricted access.
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HenryM
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601-00182-034 SERVICE BULLETIN, IFD5XX-4XX SERIES UPGRADE TO 10.2.1.pdf is included in the zip file with the 10.2.1 upgrade files. It includes the instructions for installing the update as well as a form to fill out when done.
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compasst
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Can we please have a posting of the version 13 installation manual for 10.2.1?
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AviTJ
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Brent, I'm not sure who he spoke with. We are split up into regions, so that may be what he's getting at. I can get him access to the download and SB. Have him email me at tjsutton@avidyne.com I'll get him setup.
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arkvet
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I'd love to have the banana but I'm not going to make my A/P go crazy trying to get a return call over a banana. My other option is to take a day off work to fly over and sit and wait at my avionics shop for them to do the update. The $ they'd charge isn't the frustration. It's the wasted time which is a precious and limited commodity. My mobile A/P is the preferred method. |
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Brent
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oskrypuch
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The banana is still beckoning ... * Orest |
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arkvet
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I contacted my A/P to have him obtain the update. After about a week of me waiting he sent me a text saying he didn't think he was going to be able to do it. He called tech support 3 different times and was told he had to speak with the head tech for central N America. He left 3 messages and never received a return call. The tech he was able to talk to said he had to contact that specific person to obtain the update.
I guess my 550 functions fine without the update. Moving on. |
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Brent
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AviSteve
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You hit it on the nose, other boxes produce their own aurals. I'm not familiar enough with the pinouts on the Skytrax100 to comment on the effect of wiring the audio out signal from the Skytrax100 to your audio panel, that's more up TJ's alley. I can tell you, however, that it's not in our plan to modify the software in the Skytrax100. The traffic alerting logic is done in the Skytrax100. |
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DavidBunin
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Steve, That explanation made sense to me until I gave it more thought. If the IFD is the problem, why are the aural alerts only removed for the Skytrax100, and not for other ADS-B receivers? By the way, if you say it's because the other boxes produce their own aural signals, I will point out that the SkyTrax100 box has a connector pin designated "audio out" and that pin is wired up to the audio panel in my airplane. Maybe Avidyne can enable that feature in the SkyTrax software. Next question: Does the logic for the traffic alert (either audio or CAS) come from the IFD or does it come from the Skytrax? David |
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Ibraham
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With 10.2.1, Avidyne removed aural alerts completely for their own Skytrax 100 ADS-B in instead of providing the option to turn it off, that's my concern.
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I didn’t mean I requested the SB be made. That was done, I assume, due to all the complaints. Once there was this SB, I requested it be installed. I yellow CAS message and yellow intruder on the display, catches my attention every time.
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DavidBunin
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So it's your fault? (LOL) In my airplane I do have the ability to turn it off because the alerts are on a switched input at my audio panel. I guess I'd like to hear what the plan is to turn the audio alerts back on again before I "upgrade" towards turning them off permanently. Edited by DavidBunin - 05 Mar 2018 at 6:30am |
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"In high traffic suburban areas, seeing traffic at slightly lower altitude is almost impossible, that is why you need ADS-B traffic warnings. It is not a convenience, it is an essential safety aide, otherwise the FAA would not have mandated the ADS-B."
Well, not exactly. ADS-B OUT is mandated to reduce the burden on ASR (radar), which exists for (fundamentally) the FAA's benefit, as ATC. ADS-B IN is the benefit to entice us as operators to participate. The burden on ASR is saturation - number of operations per unit time, and ADS-B Out significantly improves the statistics on this. It's extremely valuable, and I'm glad Avidyne supports ADSB-In. While an intelligent advisory is a great idea, please define the exact criteria that the intelligent advisory should use. You cannot. Instead, you can enable/disable alerts as appropriate for your flight regime by connecting the alert audio to a selectable input on your audio panel.
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Ibraham
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Some service bulletins are posted on the Avidyne website, why not all of them? http://avidyne.com/support/doctype.asp?doctype=service+bulletins&list=doc
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Ibraham
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The sound of metal would be more "annoying" if you have a mid-air collision, that would definitely ruin your day!
Avidyne should have provided the option of turning the aural warnings off, and turn the aural warning off on the ground since the IFD is smart enough to know when you ground speed is less than 30. In high traffic suburban areas, seeing traffic at slightly lower altitude is almost impossible, that is why you need ADS-B traffic warnings. It is not a convenience, it is an essential safety aide, otherwise the FAA would not have mandated the ADS-B. Avidyne must fix the issues and not completely remove the aural warnings. What's the point of having traffic advisory without the warning! |
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I also agree that the aural warnings were very annoying and requested the SB to turn them off. I even got warnings on the ground when trying to do a run up. The yellow CAS message is plenty for me.
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ac11
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Question for those with 10.2.1. Does the release change the behavior of the keyboard popping up when selecting the standby 1 frequency?
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oskrypuch
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LOL! Yep. * Orest
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Bob H
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My Avionics shop just did 10.2.1 install on Wed. They put the IFD on the bench, started the process and walked away to do something else. Came back when necessary to check on progress and keep it going, but then walked away again. The time they actually spent in front of the box was trivial. They also updated my Nav Data. All at NO CHARGE!
One minor nit when I updated IFD100 to 10.2.1. On the flight home, I couldn't find the App on the iPAD. I let it go until I was back on the ground and then found that Avidyne had changed the App's icon. :-) The brain looks for a familiar picture!
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Today I tested a clean install of the latest IFD100 with current data loaded. Before connecting it via WiFi to my IFD540 (sw 10.2.1), in the AUX - SETUP User Options, the FLTA and Terrain Awareness (TA) were able to be toggled On and Off on my iPad mini running iOS.
After the IFD100 was WiFi connected to my IFD540 and "Config Modified" was displayed, I closed then reopened the IFD100 app per the first time connecting procedure. Now, both the FLTA and Terrain Awareness (TA) options are defaulted to Off and can no longer be toggled to On even though they are not grayed out as shown below for all users. With these options Off, the IFD100 map does not show any FLTA or Terrain Awareness displays on the map. Has anyone else seen this IFD100 behavior? |
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+1, I never knew about this. I wouldn't say that I have a specific avionics shop, I go to different ones based on what I'm trying to do. Maintenance is an owner's responsibility, not the shop's, these should be posted and an email sent out notifying the registered owners of the SBs.
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Steve,
I understand that a dealer may be required to install a service bulletin, but not publishing the SB or alerting the aircraft owners about new SB is bad practice and deprives owners from critical and important information. Cirrus aircraft publishes all their Service bulletins on their website and alert registered owner of any new ones, so does TCM for the Continental engines. AD's are published on the FAA website. Avionics dealers never contact the owner after they do an install, and the owners may never go back to the same installer. It may be beneficial to add a section on the Avidyne website for the service bulletins and other critical information, and contact the registered owners of the specific avionics with that information. Ibraham
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SB 601-00182-041 was published on 12 June 2017. It was posted to the dealer website since it requires an authorized installer.
Edited by AviSteve - 28 Feb 2018 at 11:30am |
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Ibraham
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When and where was the SB published, can't find it on the Avidyne IFD website documentation section, never received a notification as the unit is registered on our Avidyne online account.
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The Service Bulletin to upgrade to 10.2.1 is 15 pages. It is more complicated that a nav data update by at least a factor of 10.
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My previous response was imprecise, so I took extra time to research back to the beginning of this issue. It's not that the Skytrax100 (MLB100) doesn't fully meet the TSOs that it claims to meet. Instead, it's that the 10.2 version of the IFD was generating an aural alert that is associated with a portion of the TSO not claimed by the IFD. Once we realized that, on 12 June 2017 we issued Service Bulletin (SB) 601-00182-041 to disable that aural alert. From the service bulletin:
The change in 10.2.1 is just a formalization of the service bulletin. If you have updated to 10.2.1.0, it is no longer necessary to apply SB 601-00182-041. |
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Perhaps some have waived their ability to file a warranty claim, but this was never a blanket requirement. What they have said before is that they don't have a way to pay your personal A&P for warranty labor in case they run into a problem.
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In 43.3 (k), which I have copied and pasted here: (k) Updates of databases in installed avionics meeting the conditions of this paragraph are not considered maintenance and may be performed by pilots provided: (1) The database upload is: (i) Initiated from the flight deck; (ii) Performed without disassembling the avionics unit; and (iii) Performed without the use of tools and/or special equipment. (2) The pilot must comply with the certificate holder's procedures or the manufacturer's instructions. (3) The holder of operating certificates must make available written procedures consistent with manufacturer's instructions to the pilot that describe how to: (i) Perform the database update; and (ii) Determine the status of the data upload. |
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