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Posted: 12 Mar 2019 at 10:45pm

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Do the dealers have this upgrade yet?

No, the latest they have is 10.2.2

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Posted: 12 Mar 2019 at 9:36pm

Do the dealers have this upgrade yet?

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Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 5:15pm

No, 2nm is still the minimum.

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Posted: 22 Feb 2019 at 5:11pm

Called Avidyne Tech Support today and asked if the new update will allow us to lower the map scale below 2 miles. "No idea," said the tech support guy. Please post an answer. Hoping this is part of the software upgrade. Thanks, Andy

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Posted: 14 Feb 2019 at 9:25am

A pilot without a maintenance rating cannot legally perform this update except under the supervision of someone who holds that rating and who is prepared to sign off the airplane. If you can work out an arrangement with someone with an appropriate rating such that you can do the update and they're willing to sign off, then that's legal.

We don't make the rules...

If you have an experimental airplane, you can generally do the update and sign off on your own. Again, subject to the applicable rules for experimental aircraft.

Edited by AviSteve - 14 Feb 2019 at 3:08pm

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Posted: 14 Feb 2019 at 7:25am

I'd love to be wrong! Maybe Steve can weigh in with Avi's official guidance. Sadly my plane's in for annual so I'm not in any particular hurry to patch it, since I can't fly it while it's partially disassembled. The struggle is real.

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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 9:05pm

I'm confused about this too, since Avidyne seems to only release the full update files to A&Ps, but this rollover patch got emailed right to me after filling out a web form. I was also under the impression that the ONLY think owners could do with avionics was update databases.

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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 4:55pm

OK. Then I guess this means a trip to an avionics shop or to a willing A&P even for the simple GPS Week Rollover Patch.

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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 4:34pm

The software by its nature is not a database, either within the layman's understanding or the FAA's rules. I wish we could install and do our own signoffs under the owner-maintenance rule but I don't think this qualifies (and, more importantly, neither do Avi or the FAA, since my opinion is worth what you paid for it).

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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 4:25pm

Updating the software of the IFD meets the requirements listed:

(i) the update Initiated from the flight deck - just plug in the USB drive, as done for a database update

(ii) it is performed without disassembling the avionics unit; - see (i)

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(iii) it is performed without the use of tools and/or special equipment. - nothing special about the firmware update compared to a database update. It just takes a bit longer.

Regarding:

(2) The pilot must comply with the certificate holder's procedures or the manufacturer's instructions."

I guess it is up to Avidyne to require or not require sign-off in their instructions? It is not any more difficult to install a firmware update than a database update.

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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 1:23pm

See CFR Part 43, Section 43.3 (which also references Part 43 Appendix A): https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?node=pt14.1.43 which indicates that unless specifically authorized in Section 43.3, "no person may maintain, rebuild, alter, or perform preventive maintenance on an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part to which this part applies."

Subsection 43.3(g) provides that "the holder of a pilot certificate issued under part 61 may perform preventive maintenance on any aircraft owned or operated by that pilot which is not used under part 121, 129, or 135."

Preventive maintenance items spelled out in Appendix A include: "(31) Removing and replacing self-contained, front instrument panel-mounted navigation and communication devices that employ tray-mounted connectors that connect the unit when the unit is installed into the instrument panel, (excluding automatic flight control systems, transponders, and microwave frequency distance measuring equipment (DME)). The approved unit must be designed to be readily and repeatedly removed and replaced, and pertinent instructions must be provided. Prior to the unit's intended use, and [sic] operational check must be performed in accordance with the applicable sections of part 91 of this chapter."

Subsection 43.3(k) provides "Updates of databases in installed avionics meeting the conditions of this paragraph are not considered maintenance and may be performed by pilots provided:

(1) The database upload is:

(i) Initiated from the flight deck;

(ii) Performed without disassembling the avionics unit; and

(iii) Performed without the use of tools and/or special equipment.

(2) The pilot must comply with the certificate holder's procedures or the manufacturer's instructions."

There are no other avionics-specific exceptions spelled out in Part 43 Section 43.3 or Appendix A.

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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 12:26pm

OK. I had misunderstood. I read on another thread the owner could install the GPS Week Rollover Patch and sign it off. I didn't realize it required an A&P sign-off.

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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 12:19pm

Both require sign off.

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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 11:59am

I know the version upgrade requires and A&P, but I thought the GPS rollover patch can be signed off by the owner. I was wondering why the difference?

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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 8:50am

Why is it that a software update like this can be signed off of by the owner/operator, but an update from 10.2.2.0 to 10.2.3.1 requires an A&P sing-off? The update process is exactly the same, other than the elapsed time for the software to load.

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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 6:27am

Steve,

The way I understand the updates is you can either install just the roll over GPS bug update OR wait until released and install 10.2.3.1, either will fix the GPS roll over. Am I correct? You wouldn't have to to both.

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Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 9:52pm

I guess it's a matter of perspective :)

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Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 9:31pm

I just watched the video and it says it takes 20 minutes or so to load and you should be on ground power to be sure your battery doesn't fail.

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Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 9:27pm

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When you mention the new def, is it a full OS installation (that takes quite q while to load), or is it just one new file, so the installation is short and painless?

The DSF that just fixes the GPS rollover is pretty quick.

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Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 6:22pm

There's another thread with the official answer, but just go to

to request the update. You will then get an e-mail with a video of the installation process and links to the def file and the written instructions.

Edited by HenryM - 12 Feb 2019 at 6:23pm

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Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 5:43pm

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"The .dsf file to take care of the GPS rollover is available as of today. It takes your 10.2.X.0 to 10.2.X.0A.

I did mine with no issues whatsoever."

How did you get the .dsf file and does it need to be signed off?

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Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 4:03pm

When you mention the new def, is it a full OS installation (that takes quite q while to load), or is it just one new file, so the installation is short and painless?

I've done a couple of updates before, and it takes quite a long time. I think part (a big portion) of the time is just installing the terrain database after all data is erased and reloaded. It would be nice if that database didn't need to be added each time.

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Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 3:29pm

The .dsf file to take care of the GPS rollover is available as of today. It takes your 10.2.X.0 to 10.2.X.0A.

I did mine with no issues whatsoever.

They have an update to take people who haven't done the 10.2update. This update will take them to 10.2.2.0A. The "A" suffix means that you have done the GPS rollover work around.

They plan on 10.2.3.1 being available by the end of March. Even if it's not this work around will take care of any GPS rollover concerns.

Whenever 10.2.3.1 is available here's what they are saying it includes:

Adds GLAS (GPS Legacy Avionics Support) for support of Proline 21 in CJ and King Air
Adds improved ADS-B Weather and Traffic integration with Foreflight
Adds ADS-B textual TFRs, AIRMETS and SIGMETS.
Adds support for Garmin G5 HSI
Adds support for Lynx NGT-9000 Remote Transponder
Adds a new zoom mode which provides the ability to display large datablocks and button label text
Adds support for both Heads-Up Technologies XMD-076A datalink and GDL 69A SXM
Allows for display of datablocks on the SVS pages
Improves display and editing features of Airways SIDS and STARS and approaches
Adds fuel totalizer function when connected to a remote fuel computer
Improved Wi-Fi configuration to ease integration with Stratus, Foreflight and other Wi-Fi connected devices.

The new 10.2.3.1 training application includes all the 10.2.3.1 features, new tutorials on using the system, much more flexibility in "flying" the simulated IFD, easier database loading, and a host of other improvements.

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