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Hello
I bought the IFD-540 and the audio panel AMX240 and the transponder AXP 340               I would like to know if they will be ready for delivery at the same time as the IFD-540
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Rod,

Yes, the AMX240 and AXP340 are being timed to come out at the same time (or slightly before) the IFD540 cert.
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FAA has informed us that we should expect the "final" MPSUE results early next week (week of 29 July). 

We haven't seen any early copies yet.
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As an option, will the IFD540 allow depiction of ARTCC/FIR boundaries?

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No.  It's a candidate for a future software release but not in the initial release.

BTW, the Freq List does provide the appropriate ARTCC freqs for your position.   The database does know the boundaries and gives you the proper freq for the boundary.
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Ah, intelligent choice on the enroute freqs is good.

I just like to see the ARTCC boundary coming up for general orientation, when zoomed in it is hard to tell -- hence the request.

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Read the message of the COO stating you are aiming at q4 to put forward the certification. If so that would take us well into 2014 before we all have our units..

I hope he was just seriously carefull rather then realistic
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So do I.
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Still no sneak peeks from the FAA on MPSUE results?
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I found this.  Doesn't say anything we really don't already know but I thought I would share it.
 
 
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The sound of crickets is deafening.

Now that OSH is over, do you have time for an update on the MPSUE results and forward plan?
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Avidyne received the MPSUE findings from the FAA this past Friday.    There were a few entries that we don't understand and are seeking clarification.    That being said, there was nothing Earth-shattering in there so we need a week or so to sort it all out and determine our exact course of action.

We are putting max effort into getting the IFD540 done so please don't interpret silence as any sign of trouble - just plain busy.
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Thanks for the update!  Glad to hear the ball is back in your court again.
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B-K has a new player on the block, the KNS770, supposed to ship this fall.  Time for a full court press on the 540.
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Just had to offer a reply to phkmn regarding the KSN770 - don't hold your breath.  Bendix King has been "supposed to ship this fall" for at least the last five years that I know of.  After monitoring their development of the KSN770 for a couple years, I received their assurane that there would be a prototype to demo at the 2010 Oshkosh AirVenture!  That was a joke, I guess...  Just try to get any information out of that company, or its partner Aspen, as to the current state of development:  they are impossibly uncommunicative, and when they do tell you anything it turns out to be wrong every time.  What a refreshing contrast to work with Avidyne, who keeps us abreast continually, tells it straight, and is constantly making a "full court press" to get their product to market. 
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what s MPSUE?
how many more steps after that are there before we can actually get our IFD540s ??
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Mulit-Pilot System User Evaluation.

From up thread ...

Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

.... You should consider measuring us against these remaining milestones to get a sense of the higher and higher confidence date.  Those remaining big milestones are:

1.  Receive, and react accordingly to, the FAA-generated MPSUE assessment of the unit.  This will likely drive some code changes but we won't know the magnitude until we get the official list from the FAA;

2.  Achieve 100% DO-178B Code Complete status.   This is well beyond "feature complete".  DO-178B "Code Complete" means we've finished all the code review and requirement tracing of the code per the FAA-recognized software standard.   We can't finish this until we know the code is done changing.  Note that we're done with all the changes on our end, we're just reacting now to any mandated changes;

3.  Officially declare DO-160 Hardware Qual testing to be complete;

4.  Achieve "Red Label" status on the combined hardware/software system.  This means that all formal for-credit software and hardware testing have been completed.  In other words, this is a submittable-for-cert system;

5.  Complete official company "for-credit" flight testing of the final submittable system;

6.  Complete FAA TIA (Type Inspection Authorization) testing.  This is the FAA's final exam of the complete system before they sign off on cert.

7.  Make our final submissions to the FAA of 100% of the certification artifacts.

We do consider this to be end-game of the program.  Some of those activities typically last only a matter of a few days (e.g. 5, 6, 7) and some take several weeks to get through (e.g. 2, 4).
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Steve, once you get the TSO, how long until you can get an AML ?
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Tony,

Regarding the AML vs TSO question, we expect them to be issued at the same time.   That has been the typical pattern, at least with our regional FAA certification office and we have no reason to expect a different result this time.
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Here's an IFD540 MPSUE update.....

As I noted earlier, we did get the FAA results from the Multi-Pilot System Usability Evaluation (MPSUE).   They performed a very comprehensive review of the product in lab, ground and flight environments.

They came away with 36 findings.  They group the findings into categories.  

"CI" is a Certification Issue and is defined as "an unacceptable design, mechanization or situation that must be fixed/addressed to FAA satisfaction before certification."

"PCI" is a Potential Certification Issue and is defined as "A design, mechanization, or situation which the FAA has considerable concerns with.  May become a CI after further testing & familiarity.  Must be closed before certification. (All PCIs will either be upgraded to a CI or downgraded to a Comment or closed at the conclusion of the project)."

"CMT" is a Comment and is defined as "Suggestions for improvement.  No applicant feedback required."

I'm not able to easily put this in table format for better reading but the stats are:

CI's - 7
PCI's - 22
CMT's - 7

Of the 7 CI's, we've made changes to the code to address 3 of them, we provided an explanation to 1 of them and we are seeking clarification on 3 of them.

Of the 22 PCI's, we've made changes to the code to address 10 of them, we provided an explanation to 10 of them, we are not contesting any of them and are seeking clarification on 2 of them.

Of the 7 CMT's, none generated a code change, we provided explanations to 3 of them, we are not contesting any and the FAA has already closed 4 of them.

To get a feel for the types of findings, the CI's covered areas such as feedback for incorrect data entry (we provided an explanation to this one), "hidden" functions (we are contesting those), and mode confusion (we made changes to address those).

Examples of the PCIs include areas such as function labeling, rubber banding, charts behavior, CDI behavior and FMS operations.

Where is stands now, we've made all the changes to the code that we proposed and we are awaiting the FAA response to those areas where we provided an explanation or are contesting the FAA finding.

BTW, the explanations provided were all at the request of the FAA.  In those cases, the PCI stated the FAA concern and they asked for an explanation of the system design or the behavior they observed.

All told, this is exactly par for the course on how all past MPSUEs have gone.  We can't spike the MPSUE complete ball until the FAA has favorably responded to our actions/explanations/contesting but it feels pretty good.
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30 Aug 2013 MPSUE Update:

Had a good bench session with the FAA today and were able to close out the majority of the open MPSUE items.

As of today's session, we have

3 open CIs (Missed Approach Procedure related);
6 open PCIs (Night Lighting, touch debounce in bouncy weather, PROC key, map declutter)
0 open CMTs

which means we closed 27 of the 35 items today.

We have another bench session we'll schedule to try and close out one of the CIs and one of the PCIs and the remaining items will be addressed during FAA TIA flights.
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Boy, that sounds like great progress!

TIA ??

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TIA = Type Inspection Authority.

(I bet that clears it up, right?)

TIA is best understood to be the FAA Final Exam for the flight side of a STC project.  It involves some ground testing and some flight testing using pre-approved test plans.  It's typically a subset of the company test.
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I thought it stood for Try it In the Air, as in "It works on paper, but will it fly?".
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Well, a TIA is also an aborted stoke.

Hmmm.

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Great news!  Thanks for the update.

(I assume that should be 27 of 36 to make the math work and be consistent with the previous count.)

For the items which remain for the TIA flights: is the fact that they cannot be resolved before the TIA flights caused by the FAA's need to evaluate your resolution in actual flight conditions?

Stated another way: do you have notional agreement with the FAA on resolution, and only need to demonstrate the suitability of that resolution before closure?

Is the next FAA "bench session" expected to close out item 1 on the 7-step plan?

How do the MPSUE resolutions thus far impact items 2 and 3 on the 7-step plan?  I'd guess SW changes for sure (item 2), but what about HW changes (item 3)?  One or two of the listed PCIs might imply a possible HW change.

Eagerly awaiting the install! 

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Yes, math error on my part.  27 of 36.

For the "wait until TIA" items, the answer varies.  The typical reason is that they understandably do want to see it in a dynamic environment and/or under the standard workloads associated with flight so a lab environment is challenged.

In each case, the FAA has reacted positively to our changes or responses and we have a verbal understanding/agreement that if they see the system behavior as we assert during those TIA flights, then the issues will be closed without further change.  But, until it's done, it's not done....

Technically, we can't close out Step 1 until the FAA officially recognizes closure of each of the 36 MPSUE items in writing on their worksheet.  Since 7 to 9 of those are being left open until TIA, that ball won't be spiked until then.  The best we can do is to make sure all those  remaining ones are as tight as we can make them and have as best a FAA statement that they *should* be closable in TIA based on our changes or explanations to date.

We have made all the changes to the software (#2) as we intend to make due to MPSUE-induced changes.   Right now, we trying to close out all the software bugs we've found during our testing and clean up DO-178 software process driven changes to the code (e.g. code review findings, code coverage testing, etc).   We are feature complete and it's the bug and software process driven changes that we're driving to ground now.

As for changes to hardware (#3), the open area that could still have hardware impacts are the night lighting nuanced design choices.   This is still a little too fuzzy for our satisfaction.  For example, we're also pumping out the Avidyne audio panel and ADS-B transponder at the same time so "tuning" the various dimming curves and lighting behaviors for the full Avidyne stack is time consuming and iterative in nature.  So far, we put enough software levers in the IFD540 that we have been successful tweaking just software to create the lighting change we want.  There are a few other iterative and judgment-laden issues with night lighting so I bet we have a few more weeks until that effort is declared complete.
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Steve,
Thanks for the detailed response. We'll keep our fingers crossed that the TIA flights close out item 1.

Are the TIA flights conducted by the same FAA staff, or do you get a new group to educate?

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TIA is typically conducted by our local ACO pilots.  Those were two of the 9 people who flew the MPSUE flights.

That being said, the FAA has the option to add others as they see fit.  That isn't typical but has happened before.
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Steve,
Jumping the gun a little, ok alot. I have the 440 ordered and a 430w to sell and I'm in north Florida. Do I get delivery of the 440 directly or do I have to get it through a dealer.  And do you or anyone have an idea of cost to set it up in my experimental.  It is supposed to be minimal set up right? Can you recommend a dealer?
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Well, I'm not Steve, but I understand the pre-ordered units will be shipped to a dealer. The dealer will get their normal markup, so you don't have to pay it, and the installation is little more than pull it out, and slide it in, plus some paperwork.

I have no idea if that would be different in an experimental, but if the 430w was happy there, so should be the 440.

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I talked to Sarasota Avionics and they don't see why I couldn't put it in myself on an experimental, but they are not too confident about delivery dates and say not to sell my 430W until I have the 440 in my hot little hands. How confident would you be in predicting a first quarter of 2014 delivery? Thanks for any help for my planning. I'm not asking for guarantees just estimates.
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John,

I'm afraid I'm just a customer, like you. There is nothing definite about a release date that I can offer you.

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Originally posted by jperryfly jperryfly wrote:

How confident would you be in predicting a first quarter of 2014 delivery? Thanks for any help for my planning. I'm not asking for guarantees just estimates.
John

Although it does seem like they are getting close, they are already behind their original estimate by over a year.  And it's not like they are 10% over on a 10 year program.  Q3 2011 they expected deliveries in Q4 2012 or 5 quarters.  Q1 of 2014 is 100% delay.  100% behind schedule isn't due to unexpected delays.

Like you, I'm interested in a confidence estimate from Avidyne.  It would be nice to start planning installation.  I think I'll probably get it too late for installation during my annual, but I'd like to have it for my trip to WI including OSH this summer so now I have to plan additional down time and hopefully have it long enough to get comfortable with it to feel confident flying IFR with it.
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Steve
Could you help us with some of this. When I bought into this I knew Avidyne had some big delays in the past but I had no idea the 540/440 program was slipping this much.
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Let's try to tackle the questions in the last few posts all in this response:

The IFD440 is behind the IFD540.  It's not clear if that means it will be certified and shipping 3 months after the IFD540 or 6 months after it but that's a decent window relative to the IFD540.

So, that means the IFD440 is not shipping in Q1 2014.

We are nailing down all the moving parts in the IFD540 schedule and keep retiring a number of variable timing tasks.  I'm going to continue to report on what we have accomplished from the list several posts above.  As we move down the numbered list, estimated cert and ship dates will tighten up significantly.
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Steve,
I thought it looked like the 540 cert was fairly close at hand but surely by the end of the year, no?
That's why I was thinking 1Q14 for the 440.  I've been trying to interpret your progress.
 I do have skin in this game.  It's not just a technical interest for me. I have used FMS in airliners and I like what I saw at SNF but the dealers are telling me I should not have  put any money down until a unit is shipping.
Thanks for your help.
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Hi John,

A couple of thoughts on that one:

I don't have the list of pre-buy customers handy so I don't know where you stack in that queue.   Obviously those that pre-bought early are going to have the opportunity for the early installs.   We will be running some form of a pilot program such that if you meet the right criteria, there is a chance for an even earlier install.

I'm glad you like the FMS in the IFD.   I've now logged over 225 hours on the IFD540, using the FMS on every flight and it's really a great piece of equipment.

I'm not sure I understand the dealer advice on that one.  It's not like we're going to fail to get this done and shipping.  And those that bought early got a great financial deal (one that is also 100% money back guaranteed) so I'm not following the dealer advice.    All the nonsense on the various forums forecasting the demise of Avidyne are both frustrating to read and highly misinformed.  We've been reading those silly predictions for years - they just aren't founded in reality.

As we get a few more of the milestones behind us from that list many posts above, we'll be able to provide very deterministic and reliable schedule estimates.   With these large cert projects, there are a ton of moving parts.  In a relative sense (the amount of work left to go relative to the amount of work done to date), we are close to the end.    I know the following statement is not quantitative in nature but we are transitioning from the "making sausage" stage to the "cert grind" stage.   There just isn't anything new to figure out or add to the system - we're just trying to cert over 1 million lines of software code - not hard to figure out, just a lot of grunt work.
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Thanks Steve,
I don't read any of those other forums but I know that would be frustrating. I just had called a shop and they worried me a little. But I would like to get the 430w sold and start using the IFN 440. I do fear that the value of my 430w is going down the longer we have to wait, I will be able to sell but for how much and I'm depending on that to make it work. Thanks again.
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Hi John,

Understood.  I would agree that selling the 430W now would be premature unless you have some other GPS/Nav/Com(s) in the airplane that satisfy you needs for longer than any of us think, just in case other hurdles are reached.

Remarkably, we don't detect any loss of value of used 430Ws on the used market.    We thought that just the quantity of GTN650 installs would have pushed the 430W value down but if it has, we can't find any evidence.    We don't know if that will change in the future.
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It sounds like there are a lot of variables, including New England weather and the Federal Government.  If you can predict either of those please tell us all how.

I may have a KLN-89B for sale.  The good news is the IFD 540 and the GTN-650 are apparently not affecting the resale price.  The bad new is it isn't worth much.
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AviJake

I was an early purchaser of the 540 but have switched to the 440 since I was forced to replace my former plane and the 440 will fit better with fewer problems than the 540.

My question is the current delays in certification are they real problems with the unit or they just Gov't bureaucrats gumming up the works?

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Neither.  

I suppose your view can vary based on your perspective but I chalk it up to either aggressive/optimistic estimates of the amount of work and the duration OR just a plain under-estimation of the amount of work/time it would take.

We had our share of technical challenges earlier in the program but they are all behind us.  We have certainly had less-than-lightning fast back & forth between us and the FAA but that has NOT had any meaningful impact on the schedule.  In fact, I actually pleased to say, the FAA is not causing any program delay.  I'm less pleased to say that this is because the rest of the work has taken us longer than originally anticipated so in this case, Avidyne is the "critical path" not the FAA.  That may change in the very near future due to the quickening of our cert progress - we're trying to manage that as best we can.
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Dear Avijake

Can you give us a better idea about where you are certificationwise?

Looking through the postings we seemed to be much closer in april then we are now so either you guys hit a major rock or the projectmanagement was done by an intern. Neither of which I believe.

I do believe that some big underestimation has gone on and the ceo stepped in and moved the project to a date which would always be met ... Q1-2014
I understand this however it does not rime with the filosofy and openness we experienced uptill a few weeks ago.

Personally I would highly appreciate it if :

You can define the next steps with some rough time estimations
Start becoming clear on who you are going to enroll in the trial period
And give us a feeling of how production will come onstream. basically .. I presume that even when. You are ready to ship .. Say 1st febuary .. You still will have an order backlog that will take you 6 to 8 months to ship?

Do not misunderstand me.. I read some posts which I deem unnecessarely negative .. Sometimes I even who writes them .. This is not my intention. I believe in your product and i believe that I will be very proud to have been an early investor in this program. I do believe that you should be able to be a lot more concise at this time.



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To bring the thread back on topic.....
 
Steve where are we on the remainder of the 36 issues?  Did we get the remaining 9 closed?  If not, do we at least have an agreed to closure plan with the FAA?
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Tony,

No change to MPSUE open issues since my 1 Sep, 0825 post.    The FAA has been busy with other projects and haven't been able to schedule in a follow-up bench session.  I'm not sweating that out however - it's low risk.

As for the requests on more color on cert status, I'm not sure I can do that.  That's not because we have anything to hide or any unwillingness.  It's really just that I think it's nearly impossible to communicate the actual metrics and detailed tasks we use to close out DO-178 software cert.  Unless you do that for a living, there's virtually zero chance that data would make any sense.  Even those customers who have worked in other versions of software development would find a lot of this as foreign concepts.   It would be a super human effort on all of our parts to effectively communicate those details.  In lieu of that, I stick by externally consumable milestones earlier in this thread, namely:

1.  Receive, and react accordingly to, the FAA-generated MPSUE assessment of the unit.  This will likely drive some code changes but we won't know the magnitude until we get the official list from the FAA;

2.  Achieve 100% DO-178B Code Complete status.   This is well beyond "feature complete".  DO-178B "Code Complete" means we've finished all the code review and requirement tracing of the code per the FAA-recognized software standard.   We can't finish this until we know the code is done changing.  Note that we're done with all the changes on our end, we're just reacting now to any mandated changes;

3.  Officially declare DO-160 Hardware Qual testing to be complete;

4.  Achieve "Red Label" status on the combined hardware/software system.  This means that all formal for-credit software and hardware testing have been completed.  In other words, this is a submittable-for-cert system;

5.  Complete official company "for-credit" flight testing of the final submittable system;

6.  Complete FAA TIA (Type Inspection Authorization) testing.  This is the FAA's final exam of the complete system before they sign off on cert.

7.  Make our final submissions to the FAA of 100% of the certification artifacts.


We're in the midst of #2 with multiple weeks still to go on that.

As for the pilot program, we had a ton of volunteers but frankly very few with interesting combinations of gear.   I'm not focused on down-selecting individual owners and airplanes for that effort at this time - my main focus is to get out of software Test-for-Credit (TFC) prep and into TFC itself so that we can then get to Red Label status.

We do have a substantial back log but I believe everyone who has pre-bought a unit or put a deposit down for one has a delivery month defined for them.   It totally depends on the date on which the pre-buy/deposit was made.   Some people have Month 1 positions and some have Month 6 positions.
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Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

We're in the midst of #2 with multiple weeks still to go on that.


So you're in the midst of #2 with multiple weeks still to go on that, and then there are 5 more steps after that?  There are only 3 months left in the year, so I suspect that means we are not going to see certification this year.  Would you like to comment on that?
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Only a few comments.

Not everything is actually serial.   
Not everything are similar durations.
I'm done with finish date predictions until we have more of the milestones behind us.  In the meantime, I'll report on the intermediate milestones.
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Wow, I haven't checked in for a while and didn't realize we're still this far away from certification...

I bought an IFD540 more than a year ago at Oshkosh 2012.  Since then it seems little progress has been made towards certifying and delivering these units.

I don't recall Garmin or other manufacturers experiencing these kinds of delays in getting their new products certified by the FAA.  We were all excited at the idea of a plug-and-play replacement for our aging Garmin avionics stacks.  But perhaps that was wishful thinking...?

Should we all begin asking for refunds or is there still hope that this unit will eventually get certified?!

Thanks, Mike
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Avidyne has designed, certified, and shipped many fine products in the past.  I have no doubt they will get the IFDs out the door.  Though I am frustrated with Garmin's attitude WRT data format compatibility I do not fault Avidyne, and I still think the R9 based navigators are going to be great to fly with and much more intuitive than the mess that Garmin has made of the GTN series.  I've played with the GTNs and I don't like how they work.  My old 530 is easier to use.  I'm willing to wait a bit longer even though the original estimates were optimistic.  

I'm still in with my pre-order and I might actually add an IFD 440 to make my install even simpler.  I'll make that decision once I have a 540 or sim to play with for a bit.
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