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Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:



No re-cal will be required.  There is a modest post-update test but that's just a test that the software versions all got updated as expected and is part of the upgrade procedure.


Not to nitpick, but whenever I have updated the software inc. 10.1.0.0, I have followed the install manual for reviewing and setting (if required) the maintenance settings. I have usually had to reset the CDI scaling to match 150 degrees and then verify in 30 degree increments. Same follows for the dimming bus voltages for 0 and 100%. I don't think this is the recalculation you are talking about, and just wanted to get clarification.
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Originally posted by teeth6 teeth6 wrote:

Jake,

Does this mean the FAA has found typo errors that require changing in the Avidyne Operators manual?


No, there are no updates to the manual required - at least none that we've gotten so, and we don't expect there to be.

The guys who reviewed the user books completed their review weeks ago and had no issues.

The typo errors (and they weren't even errors in my opinion) are all in the software documentation that never sees the light of day from a user's perspective. They are all in the DO-178 supporting docs that are part of the TSO submission package.
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Originally posted by pburger pburger wrote:

AviSimpson/AviJake,

What is the procedure for updating to 10.1?  

My assumptions (please confirm):
  1. It will be available prior to Oshkosh 2015.
  2. It will be done completely from the front panel (ie. - with a USB stick).
  3. It must be done by an Avidyne dealer.
  4. It will require a logbook entry.

Will there be any re-calibration or post-update testing/verification required?

I'm currently at odds with my Avidyne Dealer.  He will not respond to my e-mails.  The point is that I may have to find a new Dealer to accomplish this update.


We will post a video on how to upgrade to 10.1 on the website early next week, even if the system is not yet approved.

We have no way of knowing if it'll be done prior to Osh (see my earlier post from today) but it sure feels that way.

Yes, it's all updated via the USB stick.  But, we will also have you update a micro SD card on the side of the unit.

It can be done by anybody with log book signoff authority.

No re-cal will be required.  There is a modest post-update test but that's just a test that the software versions all got updated as expected and is part of the upgrade procedure.


Edited by AviJake - 12 Jun 2015 at 3:59pm
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Jake,

Does this mean the FAA has found typo errors that require changing in the Avidyne Operators manual?
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(Release 10.1.0.0 Cert Update - 12 June 2015)

Still not signed off.     Here is my most diplomatic way to phrase the current state of affairs:

The FAA is actively working the end game of the TSO side.   While they are not working at anywhere near the speed we would like and expect, they are working it faster than they said they would.  They are all waiting on one individual to finish his review responsibilities.  That individual delivered his findings to us a few hours ago and they are all typographical in nature.   We don't know if there are any more findings coming.
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  1. It will be available prior to Oshkosh 2015.
I don't know that anyone can definitively confirm that, or any other date, at present.

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Pburger, I assume this will be like previous updates in that any A&P who can sign off the logbook entry, can do the update.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pburger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2015 at 11:55am
AviSimpson/AviJake,

What is the procedure for updating to 10.1?  

My assumptions (please confirm):
  1. It will be available prior to Oshkosh 2015.
  2. It will be done completely from the front panel (ie. - with a USB stick).
  3. It must be done by an Avidyne dealer.
  4. It will require a logbook entry.

Will there be any re-calibration or post-update testing/verification required?

I'm currently at odds with my Avidyne Dealer.  He will not respond to my e-mails.  The point is that I may have to find a new Dealer to accomplish this update.
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Originally posted by AviSimpson AviSimpson wrote:

The PC sim update for 10.1 is coming. I don't have a definitive time frame yet but it will be updated.


Can you see if they can update the database used too?  It's getting a little out of date. 1302 is the Jepp revision used.
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This sounds bad ...

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The PC sim update for 10.1 is coming. I don't have a definitive time frame yet but it will be updated.
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+3 for PC sim.
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Originally posted by KIM KIM wrote:

What's about the PC SIM update?


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What's about the PC SIM update?

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(Release 10.1.0.0 Certification Status Update - 9 June 2015)

We continue to wait.   It's entirely in the FAA's court.    Some parts move quickly and some not.   We're waiting on the "not" part.
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Originally posted by tony tony wrote:

You guys need to learn to think like a regulator. It's taking this long because they are afraid to make another mistake by granting an STC with another software bug they didn't find.  The AD slowed the process down, not speed it up. 


When I first read your post, I thought it was just tongue in cheek. But now that the FAA have been sitting on all the paperwork for two weeks, I'm starting to think you might be on to something. Two weeks is certainly not priority or urgent processing in my business.

But then again, bureaucrats march to a different drummer (requiem). After all, the FAA is dragging their feet with a new legislative proposal to reduce certification overhead as well as speed up and reduce the cost of safety-related innovation.


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I like how the data scrolls on the map page now. there seems to be some data missing from the destination data block though.
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It's ready pending FAA approval which is what we are waiting for.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote compasst Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jun 2015 at 9:21pm
So does the sim update mean the actual product's 10.1 software is ready for roll-out?
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Originally posted by n7ifr n7ifr wrote:

........although I don't see any drop down for the IFD440...

Tom Wolf

not in the app. you have to go into settings and then select Avidyne and the option to change is there.
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I did uninstall and downloaded the app again but still cannot change those "on/off"  user options in the setup area.  I CAN toggle the "on/off" settings in the Setup FMS area.  Are you sure that is not what you were referring to?
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Thanks, Tom.  I'll try to uninstall and download it again.
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Looks like I can switch these fields "On or Off" - These are Aural alerts only.

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My app is working fine but on the User Options setup area, I am not able to change any of the options such as TOD (on/off), 500' Callout (on/off), Hide Page Tabs, etc.  Is anyone else able to change these fields on the Sim?
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I first had to delete the old 540 simulator from both my ipad mini and IPad2.

I  then loaded the new version 10.1 version 540 simulator to both iPads after that.

That seems to be the way to do this upgrade to simulator on ipad

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Thanks, did that and now it works. The 440/540 selection is under the main iPad "settings" menu. Scroll way down. You will probably need to power down the iPad before it will actually change modes after making the selection.
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If in doubt, "reboot".  I had to do the same thing: Delete old App, and re-install/download v10.1 for iPad.  Works like a charm, although I don't see any drop down for the IFD440...

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Did you try to delete the app and download it again.  It's strange it works fine for me also. and it is very cool.   Maybe not the fault of Avidynes developement effort.
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Yeah, Very "cool". My IFD app won't work at all after the "update". This is becoming way too typical for Avidyne's development efforts.
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You guys need to learn to think like a regulator. It's taking this long because they are afraid to make another mistake by granting an STC with another software bug they didn't find.  The AD slowed the process down, not speed it up. 
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Is the PC version updated? We are Apple free.

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So are we.  Can't believe it's taken this long to get the signoff.
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iPad v10.1 downloaded today, very cool.  
We are all ready for the 540 version!

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A week before the AD came out I did my first GPS approach in the clouds (to my home airport) on one of the AD identified approaches.  Indicator needles were way off but was able to follow the map course to a very safe landing.  Lucky I'm in flat NJ with no obstacles nearby and a ceiling of 1000'. I really need 10.1; and in the NYC and Phila area, need the Traffic and ADS-B in.
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I guess what I'm hoping is the worst case scenario is that the original 10.1 90 days is unaffected and is still on track, but if there is a second 90 days for the AD - even though it is resolved with 10.1, it would just be a notice stating that we can remove the AD limitations that has to wait for the new 90 days.

I don't really blame the FAA for their stance, I'm familiar with similar policies and although they can be a pain, there is a reason.  The reasons I'm aware of (and I'm guessing why the FAA adopted it for their processes) is that people would apply for something prematurely and end up either retracting or modifying their application.  That isn't good for anybody and can have a terrible impact on other customers due to wasted resources.  To avoid that, you impose restrictions forcing whoever is applying to really have their act together.

The alternative is to have higher fees to incentivize people to get it right the first time, but that puts the little guy at a disadvantage.


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Quote I'm glad they are motivated to review, but if data had to be resubmitted, does this restart the 90 days?

Typically yes.  The FAA technically never gives themselves an obligation to approve anything.  When a data package is submitted for approval, they have 90 days to review it.  By the end of that 90 days they are supposed to have their review complete.  From the complete review, they either ask a question, or grant approval.

When an applicant answers a question, that is considered a new submittal date, and the FAA's review clock starts again.  That (sadly) is the typical STC process.

Unless Avidyne was able to negotiate some kind of special deal...

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WAAS GPS cable is RG400. You can tell because it is thicker and has coper shielding like this:

Non WAAS cable is thinner and usually has a black jacket.
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Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

(Release 10.1.0.0 Certification Status Update - 26 May 2015)

The updated documentation package that addresses the AD-related issue was submitted to the FAA today.   That wraps up all updated TSO submission data.   The last of the updated STC submission data should be in FAA hands on Wed 27 May.   A lot of the data had to be updated and reflown when the software was updated to resolve the AD issue.

The FAA is highly motivated to review, and if in their opinion it is warranted, issue approvals very quickly.

I'm glad they are motivated to review, but if data had to be resubmitted, does this restart the 90 days?  Also, is there a chance/risk that the GPS fix would be separated out of 10.1 to speed up addressing the emergency AD?
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It is what my installer told me, so I would ask yours. I had a WAAS 530 before, and the cable was correct. In the other case, it wasn't, which was a surprise to the owner.
 
Your experience is similar to mine. I only had dropped GPS while flying. Then, in the last month, it would'nt even boot up at all, no signals. It was so bad that I had to reboot 4-5 times before it captured. After replacing the antenna, it now only needs 'one' reboot. I say that with frustration, it should do it first time EVERYTIME, like the 530 always did.
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Larry thanks for the encouragement and guidance. Flew it for over 25 hours with no issue at all and now this pops up. Hope it was an anomoly, but looking at the posts I'm not so sure. As for the cable how do you tell if one is "WAAS Approved"?

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Originally posted by cajungene cajungene wrote:

Just started having issues with my 540. I was doing a IPC and planned to show off my box to my CFI. Well the box went into "Coast Mode" and had to re power it twice. Stayed up for about 15 mins then lost GPS again twice more. Lost lock 5 times in a 1.6 hour flight. Not good. Called tech support and will be sending in logs. Looking at the forum this scares me to death since it appears that this is not an uncommon issue. I had a GX-60 that was rock solid for over 2000 hours and replaced it with the 540. Thank god this happened in VFR and not on an LPV approach in the clag at night. Hope that the logs tell the tail. Not sure I can afford all the AOG time that it appears I will have to go thru to get to the bottom of this.

For you folks that have had to go thru these issues have you got any suggestions on what the issues might be or what the solution was beside swapping boxes?

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Gene,
 
Unfortunately, welcome to the club you never wanted to join! My journey has been long, as recorded in another thread.
 
I finally gave up and swapped back to the G530. Then my installer worked with another plane having the same problem, and came up with the idea to replace the antenna. Seemed to work in his plane, so I flew back up there, replaced with the 540 and got a new antenna. Well, it 'seemed' to work initially, but is now back to the same issue: Will not lock on GPS unless it is repowered at least once.
 
I would not recommend you swap out for a replacement 540, as I did three times, unless the logs or tech identifies a specific problem with your unit. I would send all the logs to tech support and then keep on them for an answer, did they find anything? They are helpful, but you have to keep engaged with them to get answers. You might try replacing the antenna, but there are no guarantees. Make sure the cable is WAAS approved. Sounds obvious but the other plane above did not have the right cable as he expected.
 
I have been told that the new update WILL correct the issue, as it is a pretty widespread problem, from what I gather on this site and others. SO, I'm waiting like everyone else for the release, and expect it to correct the problem.
 
Good luck
 
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Just started having issues with my 540. I was doing a IPC and planned to show off my box to my CFI. Well the box went into "Coast Mode" and had to re power it twice. Stayed up for about 15 mins then lost GPS again twice more. Lost lock 5 times in a 1.6 hour flight. Not good. Called tech support and will be sending in logs. Looking at the forum this scares me to death since it appears that this is not an uncommon issue. I had a GX-60 that was rock solid for over 2000 hours and replaced it with the 540. Thank god this happened in VFR and not on an LPV approach in the clag at night. Hope that the logs tell the tail. Not sure I can afford all the AOG time that it appears I will have to go thru to get to the bottom of this.

For you folks that have had to go thru these issues have you got any suggestions on what the issues might be or what the solution was beside swapping boxes?

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Originally posted by jhbehrens jhbehrens wrote:

The reality I fear is that the 540 is still so buggy that focus has to be on quality first.

Agree, my bigger fear is that if the are STILL GPS problems after 10.1, then people aren't going to trust that they'll be fixed in the next release like we've heard before.
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The reality I fear is that the 540 is still so buggy that focus has to be on quality first.
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Orest/Gring:

I am aware of the shopping list, which after revision does some interesting things, but doesn't hit it over the fence.  The big hitters were new technologies using the embedded BT/WiFi access points.

If you want to correct me, consider:

There were announcements, and announcements, with the "coming soon" banner - all to be done before SNF.  WiFi, BT keyboard, apps to drive off the 540, TIS-B traffic, etc.

Better to avoid the "coming soon" rhetoric.  Companies get called to task on this.  Better to under promise and over deliver, rather than the reverse.

Some of us bought a fair amount of equipment and have limited flying careers temporally.



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Originally posted by ddgates ddgates wrote:

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Now it looks like 10.1 is largely GPS fixes, or at least that is my impression.

DD,

Have a look at the first post in this thread. There are 50 change items listed for 10.1

Sure, we'd all love to see the wifi/BT in, but I understand why it was deferred.

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David, that is not the case at all.  I'm running 10.1.0.0 and there is substantial functionality & usability improvements in this release beyond the expected WIFI and BT capability.
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I think we all had the same expectation.

The run up was that a big reveal would happen at SNF which would include a more robust 10.1, WiFi, BT, and tablet app vendors.

Now it looks like 10.1 is largely GPS fixes, or at least that is my impression.
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Maybe we can get a actual and final list of changes ?

I hope we europ. pilots do not wait in vain!

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