SID depiction on Map

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Recently departing KHEf I was unable to have the SID displayed on the MAP page. After experimenting on the desktop and IPAD simulators, I was able to duplicate the same situation and then found a fix to have the SID displayed on the MAP. 
If you entire your entire route and select your entire SID including runway and then Activate the Route the entire SID will be displayed on the MAP. 

If you entire the entire route, Activate the Route and then put in your SID the SID will not be displayed unless you go Direct to on the first SID point. Though the SID and entire route are in the FMS it will not be displayed on the MAP until Direct to. This also occurs if you have to change runways on the SID after Activating your Route. The new SID does not appear on the MAP until you Direct To the first SID point.

With the ability of the 540/440 to display routing I think the SIDs should be displayed as you are insert the SID into your flight plan, irregarless of whether a flight plan has been activated or not. Partituclarly if there is a change in runway after you have left the chocks and are taxing out to the runway. 

I propose the following language be added to the manual until a permanent fix is addressed:

"To have the SID displayed, on the Map, the
flight plan routing including SID must be loaded and activated. If the  route is activated before the
desired SID (including the runway) is loaded or if the pilot changes the takeoff runway for the SID, the
SID routing will not be displayed on the map even though it appears in the
active FPL routing. To have the SID displayed in this case the pilot must
initiate a “Direct-Fly-To” command which will allow the SID and routing to be displayed on the Map."

Thoughts

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Risky52 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 15 Aug 2015 Location: California, Md. Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote Risky52 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: SID depiction on Map Posted: 26 Aug 2015 at 8:16am
	Recently departing KHEf I was unable to have the SID displayed on the MAP page. After experimenting on the desktop and IPAD simulators, I was able to duplicate the same situation and then found a fix to have the SID displayed on the MAP. If you entire your entire route and select your entire SID including runway and then Activate the Route the entire SID will be displayed on the MAP. If you entire the entire route, Activate the Route and then put in your SID the SID will not be displayed unless you go Direct to on the first SID point. Though the SID and entire route are in the FMS it will not be displayed on the MAP until Direct to. This also occurs if you have to change runways on the SID after Activating your Route. The new SID does not appear on the MAP until you Direct To the first SID point. With the ability of the 540/440 to display routing I think the SIDs should be displayed as you are insert the SID into your flight plan, irregarless of whether a flight plan has been activated or not. Partituclarly if there is a change in runway after you have left the chocks and are taxing out to the runway. I propose the following language be added to the manual until a permanent fix is addressed: "To have the SID displayed, on the Map, the flight plan routing including SID must be loaded and activated. If the route is activated before the desired SID (including the runway) is loaded or if the pilot changes the takeoff runway for the SID, the SID routing will not be displayed on the map even though it appears in the active FPL routing. To have the SID displayed in this case the pilot must initiate a “Direct-Fly-To” command which will allow the SID and routing to be displayed on the Map." Thoughts
	Wayne T.

oskrypuch Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 09 Nov 2012 Location: CYFD Status: Offline Points: 3058	Post Options Post Reply Quote oskrypuch Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Aug 2015 at 9:31am
	All of these SIDS are runway specific, so not sure how it could draw the SID without that information. But, agree, a note in the PG about this might be a good idea. * Orest

AviJake Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Location: Lincoln MA Status: Offline Points: 2815	Post Options Post Reply Quote AviJake Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Aug 2015 at 10:36am
	I don't agree with the premise or the recommendation. In your scenario, you have created and activated a flight plan and you have some down path leg active (which is all fine). Then you moved upstream (earlier in the flight plan, prior to the active leg) and inserted some new flight plan legs (in your example, some SID legs). The system only ever displays the one leg prior to the active leg - that doesn't matter if it's a SID, "normal" flight plan or anything else. So, this system is acting per design. Operationally, if you need to do what you're trying to do (create a flight plan, activate the plan and then edit the flight plan to add a SID, and then want to activate/display one of the legs on the SID), you can either perform the Direct-To technique you note, or you can simply activate the desired leg in the SID.
	Steve Jacobson sjacobson@avidyne.com