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Catani
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Don't know about two GPSs on the same antenna. But if you have a VHF stand alone antenna, you can replace it with an antenna that receives both GPS and VHF. That way, you're not really adding an additional antenna, just upgrading the capabililties of one you already have.
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Open question not really applicable to this discussion, but something I would like to know. Can two WAAS GPS units get their input signals from the same antenna the way we do with the VHF nav signal? I have two GPS antenns on my airplane now and am thinking of adding an L3 Lynx. Hate to add a third GPS antenna up there.
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Bad1996
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Good news for all !
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Catani
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I hope you're able to make good progress at Oshkosh with L3, Steve. It would be great to have L3's products working with Avidyne's seemlessly again, as was the case when both were OEM with Cirrus years ago.
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That's great news, thanks. We're pretty happy with our recent IFD and Lynx upgrade, but we'd be even happier if they were on speaking terms...
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AviJake
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Some progress has been made. It would appear that the two companies have worked out the business-to-business issues (thanks to the persistence of the L3 rep) and now we are waiting on the data protocol documentation from L3.
I have a meeting set up at Oshkosh (again, thanks to the persistence of the L3 rep) with the L3 Lynx Product Manager so we'll see what further progress we can make there will be. In any case, the train has long left the station for Rel 10.2 so Lynx support is not included there.
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Bad1996
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YO :-) |
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Bad1996
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Tell them I'm still here to test (more) :-)
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AviJake
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She's good. She's trying to get an IFD for the L3 crew to do some testing on. All of our development boxes are in full use now for the 10.2 testing but she (and us) will find a way to make it happen.
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Catani
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Steve or Simpson: Any progress to report on the effort between Avidyne and L3 to have the Lynx weather and traffic appear on the IFD boxes? I hope Ms. Relentless is making it happen.
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skitheo
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As one of those "risk takers" I'm looking forward to you and L-3 getting it worked out. They're both great boxes. Took first flight last night. FltPlan Go connected to NGT to get all of the traffic and weather. Will try it out again tomorrow, likely.
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AviJake
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Oh we definitely spoke with L3 about it at the show. The L3 rep used to work for us and she was very interested in getting the boxes to play well together. She will be relentless... But the people who took the chance/risk to purchase and install a Lynx before we declared compatibility are all seeing issues and problems. |
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ddgates
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glassanza
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Looks like this topic got hijacked, please ddgates or AviJake create a new topic to address the Aspen issue you two are discussing. To get back on track, Jake I don't guess you ran into any L-3 guys in FL wanting to discuss the Lynx and 540 issue initially raised here.
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AviJake
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I don't buy it. And I'm back in Boston as of 5 min ago.
We'll get it all worked out. |
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ddgates
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From Charles Reiche, who I know from the Beechtalk:
Quote: As of now, The MLB is not fully compatible with the Aspen systems. I believe that the box is built by NavWorx and they claim the ability to send 429 traffic only out of the ADS 600 box http://www.navworx.com/PDFs/Evolution-EFD-block.pdf This has not been tested by our engineers and not certified as an approved interface. You should verify with Avidyne if their box sends out the standard type of ARINC traffic format that our display takes (the same as their TAS traffic systems). So for now it appears that you could at least send traffic, but again, not tested on our end. Adding software capabilities and features (ADS-B Weather) from other manufactures receivers is in large part market driven and controlled by the availability of our software engineers to work with theirs to develop an interface. We are all here at Sun N Fun and will walk over to talk to Avidyne’s people tomorrow morning and see if we can find any more info on the possibilities of displaying their products on our display. Best Regards,
Charlie Reiche Field Service Enginee So there you have it, and you are both in Lakeland. David |
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AviJake
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Oh I misinterpreted your question. I thought you were asking if we could display the Aspen datalink on our boxes.
But what I think you asked is if Aspen would display MLB100 (now called SkyTrax 100) output on their displays. If that was the question then my answer is "beats me". I haven't explicitly spoken with Aspen about their plans for quite some time. We certainly have no problem with that and happy to share whatever data they need or want. |
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ddgates
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Thanks Jake.
Not sure why that would be, i.e. if Aspen purports to display its own ADS-B TIS and FIS, aside from software incompatibility, why couldn't the MLB be the source just the same? Not that I understand any of this stuff; I learned to program in FORTRAN, and used punch cards.
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AviJake
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No it didn't for 10.2 for scope control reasons. If I recall too, the Aspen datalink box only has one 232 port and therefore can't display on multiple devices at same time.
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ddgates
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Jake:
Remember some time back you said y'all would try displaying the MLB products on the Aspen MFD? Did that happen? David
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glassanza
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I love my 540 that replaced a 530, no comparison with regard to capability and ease of use. At the time of my install the NGT 9000 appeared to have an advantage over the Avidyne products available and I chose to go down that path and have no regrets. I have had traffic and weather from the NGT 9000 for over a year problem free, I am confident I have been flying safer and smarter since the install. At the time of my install the Avidyne ADS-B products were not working well and from postings here still seam to have issues. If I have to install another Avidyne product down the road to take advantage software upgrades to the 540 I will likely get my checkbook out again, however, as a long time member here I would suggest limiting the marketing bait so your customers can make better decisions with regard to manufacturer compatibility (or lack of).
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AviJake
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No, the discussions were not successful. We continue to find out that there is no such thing as a single "Capstone compliant standard". Every single vendor and device is different. At this point, we can make no claims of supporting the L3 Lynx. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't - we don't know.
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Catani
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Steve -- Your new IFD 10.2.0.0 software release notice states in the first paragraph "Added support for multiple options on the IFD series to include: ... i. Capstone compliant ADS-B receivers." According to an L3 technical support rep I spoke with today, the L3 Lynx NGT 9000 is "capstone compliant." Your release notice suggests that the IFD boxes can now display ADS-B traffic from the (supposedly) capstone-compliant NGT 9000. Does that mean the discussions between L3 and Avidyne were successful in resolving the reasons the IFD boxes could not display ADS-B traffic and weather coming from an NGT 9000? If the discussions did not resolve anything, would you nevertheless expect the 10.2.0.0 software changes would allow the IFD's to display ADS-B traffic and weather data from the NGT 9000 anyway?
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DavidBunin
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Some of it depends on the other equipment and how well the racks are spaced at installation. For example, my IFD fits tight against the transponder below it, but has good clearance with the radio above. For whatever reason, it is easier to install the IFD first and the transponder second. Much harder to install the IFD if the transponder is already fully racked. I have the real Avidyne 540 rack. I never had a GNS unit installed. There is plenty of room where the transponder could have been a fraction of an inch lower, but I used some clean existing holes rather than elongate them in the rails. David Bunin |
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Catani
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My Avidyne EX5000C MFD also has no problem reliably displaying the traffic from the 9000+.
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Apiaguy
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I have the 9000 and an avidyne ex600... The 600 has no trouble with the traffic from the 9000. Funny thing is we couldnt get my 530 to display the traffic... 540 is going in as we speak...will see what it produces
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Bad1996
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That theory is not a bad one and I'll tell you why. My 540 has twice had com issues. On the first install and then recently when it was out for the Lynx install. Both times a simple pull out and reinstall solved the problem. That doesn't sound bad but it has only been out twice.
Why ? The only thing I can figure is that the 530 rack isn't quite perfect for the 540 (I would hope a true 540 rack would not need to be reseated everytime. There seems to be a lot, or maybe even all Lynx/Avidyne airplanes with this issue so a seat problem doesn't sound right. Could it be a rack issue, 530 rack vs 540 ? I would like to know if ANY Avidyne/Lynx Combo actually work. L3 says that the 9000+ seems to work correctly and now we hear from Catani his isn't working either. |
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DavidBunin
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Recently, a forum participant had an intermittent data issue on his IFD540 that turned out to be an IFD that didn't seat fully in the rack. That is not the sort of thing that I would think to troubleshoot online here, but maybe a real-world look would detect the issue.
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Bad1996
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So your 9000+ is acting the same way. I have been talking with L3 and today we tried the new software (approved two weeks ago by faa) and it did not help. It did solve a problem with another box so we had high hopes. Also tried another config change: TIF on the CDTI output instead of both, that seemed to be worse. Tried that on the old and new software.
Mine always starts out good but gets worse as time goes by. Due to seeing more traffic after 10-15 minutes or ?? I don't know. I see what you are talking about regarding the In1 and In2, I have not tried traffic advisory on the In2 assuming that is a selection. Mine is currently set to low/off. One case that the G 530 works and my 540 won't, Bummer. |
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Catani
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Exactly. The IFD440, being a plug-in replacement, has traffic set to the #2 ARINC port because that's how the 430 it replaced was wired. However, I have found that traffic from the 9000+ is intermittent. It works on some flights, and on others it doesn't, giving "Traffic Sensor Failure" alerts that cannot be permanently cancelled. You either press CLR two or three times per minute, or just ignore it. I've decided to disable the traffic function until Avidyne and L3 work out the issues.
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DavidBunin
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The IFD-540 has two ARINC 429 input ports. Each port has two settings.
One setting is the data speed (Hi/Lo). One setting is the data type. Many possible selections. "Traffic Advisory" is one of them See section 7.5.2 of the installation manual. It doesn't help to configure Port #1 correctly if your unit is wired into port #2. David Bunin |
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Bad1996
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Is there a "traffic advisory" in each of the two ARINC IN ports ? L3 had also told me to check for "high" at the traffic advisory but I didn't look farther than the first one I saw. He figured though, that since I was seeing traffic part time that the 540 was set correctly. Unfortunately the change he wanted done to the NGT9000 just made it worse.
It's such a great opportunity for Avidyne to leap frog Garmin once again if they would talk 100%. I know folks just waiting for these two boxes to talk and they would dump the G in a heartbeat. Edited by Bad1996 - 07 Feb 2016 at 12:24am |
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There are two ARINC IN ports, so I think he is saying his second port is connected to the Lynx and therefore where he is changing the settings.
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Bad1996
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I'm not sure what you mean by "in 2" but that might be obvious when I look. My 540 is set to High on the traffic. I also changed a setting in the Lynx (recommended by L3) and it made mine give the traffic sensor error all the time. I changed that back and it is back to an intermittent error. I assume you aren't seeing any error messages ? It's aggrivating that folks with 530's are seeing the traffic with no issues. |
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Catani
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After setting the Main ARINC 429 Config "In 2" to "High' speed and "Traffic Advisory" data, I found my IFD440 displays traffic provided by my L3 Lynx 9000+. Since the 9000+ includes Skywatch functionality, perhaps this is not surprising. The IFD440 does not display the 9000+ ADS-B weather, however.
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Bad1996
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Thanks Steve. Need any help on the L3 side please let us know. Will try not to bother you too often :-)
High hopes though !
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Roger. Standing down on the speed dial button...
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Let's let it play out.
In the meantime, we do NOT make any claims to having a functional integration between the IFDs and the L3 units.
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glassanza
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I agree with Bad1996, if it's on L3 Let us know, we will blow up their phones until we get some action. Luckily we don't have to do that with Avidyne and this forum is very very appreciated.
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AviJake
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And apparently you are bugging the phone lines between us and L3......
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glassanza
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"Two Presidents walk into a bar" nothing get done... I'm watching way too much Fox News!
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skitheo
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My I further emphasize Bad1996 and Gsengle's point: A major selling point of the Avidyne system is that it's an alternative to Garmin offers open architecture. Money, mouth and all that.
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The two Presidents are talking. That's as good as you're going to get.
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Bad1996
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And this is why it would benefit Avidyne ^^^^^^^^ |
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Bad1996
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Who would "the" L3 guy talk with at Avidyne to get this ball rolling ? Both sides have said "hey, we're ready" I don't know which company would be the hold up but, but, but........ Avidyne sells transponders too and L3 doesn't sell (comparable) GPS boxes. So, you can guess which way I am leaning...if not true, prove me wrong. Avidyne always said, we will work with anyone and everybody. That's one of the reasons I replaced my G with a 540. So I do, expect Avidyne to play nice. Two answers above. 1. Working on it but slow. 2. No discussions. I'm no rocket scientist but we have two different answers. Neither suits a lot of us. If the issue is with L3 just let me know, there are a bunch of folks ready to light a fire. Thanks Edited by Bad1996 - 31 Jan 2016 at 1:21am |
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No. Discussions between the companies are ongoing.
Edited by AviSimpson - 25 Jan 2016 at 10:58am |
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skitheo
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Any movement on the integration front?
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Joe Jet
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As I've said elsewhere, Avidyne should just make a competitor to the Lynxx 9000, but with a larger display and no GPS.
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glassanza
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I
have two 540’s in my Bonanza and was in the process of installing a 340 +
MLB100 during a recent engine overhaul when my shop made me a deal on the Lynx
I just could not pass up. Although on paper it is not the best long term choice
it was a great short term choice for the money. I really wanted traffic and as
an early 540 pre-buy guy didn’t want to wait indefinitely for traffic on my 540
since I was giving up TIS traffic that I was getting on my G600 from my G330
(not perfect but better than nothing). The 340 would have put traffic on my IPad
(with Stratus) but I really didn’t what to have to drag it out every flight. The
Lynx gives me TAS traffic on my G600 PDF and ADS-B traffic and weather on the transponder
itself. In my set up the 540 does not talk to the Lynx but I know that going in.
Back to the point of the post, if Avidyne and L-3 would work together I believe
both would benefit from pairing up the IFD (which I love) with the Lynx (which
I also love). I believe L-3 is going to sell a lot of transponders based on reviews
and my personal experience…
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Apiaguy
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Yes, I realize they don't communicate very well yet. Hopefully they will also be able to integrate the adsb weather somehow.
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