Unable to delete waypoints from departure

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   At NZHN, (my home base) when loading a departure, say a BUDEN 1, a transition MUST also be loaded. These transitions are for oceanic use and therefore are not required by domestic traffic. My GNS430 allows me to load the SID and transition and then permits me to delete the waypoints that are not required. My installed IFD540 will not allow the transition waypoints to be deleted. 

I can load the departure waypoints individually and enter any altitude constraints manually - however, this defeats the point having installed departures.

Any thoughts from Steve or other users please.

Edited by NZFlyer - 02 Jan 2015 at 3:18am

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NZFlyer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 27 Jun 2014 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote NZFlyer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Unable to delete waypoints from departure Posted: 02 Jan 2015 at 3:17am
	At NZHN, (my home base) when loading a departure, say a BUDEN 1, a transition MUST also be loaded. These transitions are for oceanic use and therefore are not required by domestic traffic. My GNS430 allows me to load the SID and transition and then permits me to delete the waypoints that are not required. My installed IFD540 will not allow the transition waypoints to be deleted. I can load the departure waypoints individually and enter any altitude constraints manually - however, this defeats the point having installed departures. Any thoughts from Steve or other users please. Edited by NZFlyer - 02 Jan 2015 at 3:18am

MysticCobra Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 29 Jan 2013 Status: Offline Points: 652	Post Options Post Reply Quote MysticCobra Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Jan 2015 at 9:59am
	Huh...I see that behavior in the sim now, too. An example from my use case would be flying the LFK7 departure from T41 to KDTN. My clearance is typically LFK7.LFK, so I would want to delete the SKKIP and LIT waypoints, so the flight plan transitions cleanly from the LFK VOR to KDTN. Highlighting the SKKIP and LIT waypoints in the departure procedure and pressing CLR has no effect. Note that the "DELETING A WAYPOINT" para on p. 2-10 in the pilot guide does not indicate any limitation that waypoints in a departure procedure cannot be deleted. I would think that these are common use cases, so I hope this behavior is just a sim funny, or else a feature that is included in one of the near-term software updates.

NZFlyer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 27 Jun 2014 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote NZFlyer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Jan 2015 at 11:56am
	MysticCobra, I too thought that this was just a sim issue and so held off commenting until my install was complete. However, the problem has followed on to the aircraft. Needs to put on the 'fix it' list.

AviJake Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Location: Lincoln MA Status: Offline Points: 2815	Post Options Post Reply Quote AviJake Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Jan 2015 at 8:26am
	Yes, the ability to delete a waypoint in a published procedure, departure or arrival, is on the list and we started working on it but the scope is so large (it has all kinds of tentacles in the FMS code) that we have deferred it out of Rel 10.1. It will likely be in the next meaningful release after 10.1 but that means it's later than the spring of 2015.
	Steve Jacobson sjacobson@avidyne.com

oskrypuch Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 09 Nov 2012 Location: CYFD Status: Offline Points: 3058	Post Options Post Reply Quote oskrypuch Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Jan 2015 at 11:22am
	You also cannot insert a waypoint AFTER an arrival. You can only add an approach, or create a hold. I expect this is also part of the same "structure" restriction. * Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 04 Jan 2015 at 11:23am