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paulr 
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Copied from the Avidyne Facebook group. All I know is what this says, nothing more.
AVIDYNE ANNOUNCES CERTIFICATION OF SKYTRAX200 DUAL-BAND ADS-B IN RECEIVER Avidyne SkyTrax200™ provides dual-band ADS-B Traffic and FIS-B Weather for Avidyne Displays; AML-STC provides approval for installation of the SkyTrax200 in over 600 models of certified aircraft. MELBOURNE, FL. – June 22, 2021-– Avidyne Corporation, a leading provider of integrated avionics systems, displays, and safety systems for general aviation and business aircraft, announced the receipt of Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Supplemental Type Certificate (STC) approval for the new SkyTrax200 Dual-Band ADS-B In receiver. “Avidyne continues to develop ADS-B products for new and existing customers and the SkyTrax200 adds direct reception of 1090MHz targets which provides improved performance in US airspace compared with single-band systems relying on ADS-R, plus it gives aircraft owners around the world the ability to see nearby aircraft broadcasting 1090 ADS-B Out,” said John Talmadge, Avidyne’s Vice President of Worldwide Sales. “The vast majority of ADS-B Out equipped aircraft are using 1090MHz. And with our SkyTrax200 upgrade program, we are making it easy for our existing single-band Avidyne customers to upgrade to SkyTrax200 dual-band capability.” The Avidyne SkyTrax200 includes dual-band (1090MHz and 978 MHz) ADS-B receivers that provide direct line-of-sight reception of ADS-B Traffic targets for use in airspace in the U.S. and around the globe. SkyTrax200 is capable of receiving Flight Information System Broadcast (FIS-B) weather via 978MHz in US airspace where the FIS-B is available. The SkyTrax200 is also capable of receiving the traffic output from an active traffic system such as the Avidyne SkyTrax600, TAS600 series, Ryan 9900BX, or a legacy SkywatchTM system, combining it with the ADS-B traffic directly received over either band and TIS-B traffic received from ATC, and presenting an integrated view of dual band ADS-B, TAS, and ATC radar traffic. The Avidyne SkyTrax200’s weather and dual-band traffic can be displayed on Avidyne’s IFD-Series GPS/NAV/COMs and also on Avidyne EX500, EX600 or EX5000 Multi-Function displays (MFD) and Entegra R9 integrated flight deck systems. The SkyTrax200 supports standard Capstone and Arinc 429/735 interfaces and can also be interfaced with a wide variety of standards-based traffic displays. SkyTrax200 has been approved under new ASTM International standards process. Pricing & Availability The retail price of the SkyTrax200 is $2,499 and it is available now. Existing Avidyne customers with the single-band Avidyne SkyTrax100B receiver can have their units upgraded to SkyTrax200 dual-band capability. For a limited time, this software upgrade is being made available free of charge. Dealer labor to perform the upgrade is not included. In addition, Avidyne customers with any other single-band ADS-B In receiver previously purchased through Avidyne can upgrade to the dual-band SkyTrax200 for $1,250 with trade-in of their single-band unit. Dealer labor is not included. Contact your Authorized Avidyne Dealer or pilotsupport@avidyne.com for more information. |
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Posted: 27 Jun 2021 at 5:23pm |
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Does the SkyTrax 200, paired with an IFD, have aural alerts?
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Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 10:23am |
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SkyTrax200 does not generate aural alerts.
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Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 11:35am |
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then in 10.4, pretty please can SkyTrax owners have the audible traffic callout function formerly provided by the IFD back?
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Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 11:58am |
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Wish I could, but it's a cert thing.
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Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 4:07pm |
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Is the SkyTrax200 pin compatible with an MLB-100? Is there a lot of installation time involved to replace an original MLB-100 with one of these?
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Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 5:03pm |
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As I understand it, if the SkyTrax200 comes in the same case as the SkyTrax100B (which is software upgradable to a 200), then the unit's footprint and pinning should be identical to the original MLB100 / SkyTrax100. The settings in the SkyTrax200 and IFD will need to be adjusted as they are different than the the settings for the MLB100 / SkyTrax100. Also, the corresponding ADS-B out transponder settings will need to be adjusted to indicate both UAT and 1090 in.
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Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 5:32pm |
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Thank you for the information. I will likely upgrade my MLB100, which I think is still a Navworx unit.
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Posted: 29 Jun 2021 at 12:07pm |
Straight from the designer...
Edited by AviSteve - 29 Jun 2021 at 12:07pm |
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@AviSteve - would it be possible to get the pinout map for the new 200? Is there a datasheet somewhere that we can get access to?
I believe that my installer did in fact route the maintenance serial port off of 4/22 and 26(gnd)... assuming that 26 is unchanged... does Avidyne have any recommendations on were 4 and 22 should be routed to? Thanks!! Doug
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Apparently, the Skytrax 100 is not upgradable to the dual band Skytrax 200…..only the 100B is. The cost to trade the 100 for the 200 is $1250 plus labor. I’ve been wanting the dual band for quite awhile but wonder if this is the most cost effective way to go at $1250 plus. Any comments would be appreciated on any other options. My ADS-B out is the Avidyne APX transponder.
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Posted: 09 Jul 2021 at 6:55pm |
FYI - I've been asking questions about this as well. Avidyne sales tells me that the MLB100/SkyTrax100 trade-in first involves an Avidyne Dealer removing the original MLB100/SkyTrax100 and sending it in as an RMA exchange. Once Avidyne receives the old UAT, then they will ship the SkyTrax200 back to the Avidyne Dealer for install. In other words, this very simple box swap and settings update is going to take days to complete as well as possibly two trips to the Avidyne Dealer. I was hoping Avidyne would have a quicker process where one could buy the SkyTrax200 for the $2500 list price and then Avidyne would refund the $1250 upon receipt of the old MLB100/SkyTrax100. That way the trade-in could be done in one short dealer visit.
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Interesting but that’s not the way it was explained to me after speaking with Avidyne and my shop. I’m told the shop can order the 200 and perform the removal and installation once the new unit is available. The shop would then send in the exchange unit.
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Posted: 09 Jul 2021 at 8:23pm |
I'll ask some more questions next week; your described exchange method seems like much less of a hassle for the end user. BTW - have you heard when or if the new units are going to be available?
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Posted: 09 Jul 2021 at 8:28pm |
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I could be wrong, but I believe they are available now. My shop ordered one in advance to keep on the shelf.
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Does the compatibility with the EX-500 require 4.2.2 software? Thank you.
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Posted: 20 Jul 2021 at 1:01pm |
Yes, 4.2.2 is required.
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Thank you Steve. My dealer says the update is not yet available. Do you know when it will be?
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Posted: 04 Aug 2021 at 10:54am |
You mean 4.2.2? It's already available.
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No, the Skytrax 100B upgrade to the 200…. Is that available yet?
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Posted: 05 Aug 2021 at 10:47am |
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It's already available.
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Just traded-in my MLB100/SkyTrax100 for the SkyTrax200 per the offer above. The trade-in process and was very straight forward. The physical process of swapping UAT's to SkyTrax200 was very smooth as the MLB100 and SkyTrax200 share the same mounting footprint and pinning. Adjusting the RS-232 settings, AXP340 settings, as well as configuring the the SkyTrax200 port and ADSB settings was also a very quick process.
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Is the SkyTrax200 configurable to allow filtering of distant aircraft? I didn't see it in the install manual and as of now, the IFD software has no filter settings (that I can find).
Secondly... I understand that IFD 10.3 will display WIFI weather and traffic (Stratux, Stratus, etc.). Would this be direct competition to the SkyTrax200 and if not, can you talk about any advantages the SkyTrax would have over a WIFI source? And lastly, I have RS232 lines from my IFD540 going to a location that I would want to mount the SkyTrax200. What would I be missing by connecting the SkyTrax200 to my IFD540 with RS232 only, instead of RS232 and ARINC 429? I'd rather not run additional lines if RS232 will give me everything. |
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Posted: 14 Aug 2021 at 4:25pm |
AFAIK - as long as you are running IFD software 10.2.0.0 or later, RS232 to a SkyTrax200, SkyTrax100B, or SkyTrax100 is the Avidyne preferred method of installation; I don't think anything is lost with this configuration. In addition to power and ground, I believe it takes four RS232 lines for this configuration. Three RS232 lines between the IFD and SkyTrax for GPS, traffic & weather in, and traffic & weather out. The fourth RS232 line is for pressure altitude input to the SkyTrax from a certified altitude source. With an ARINC 429 install, I believe you would still need the four RS232 lines; however, traffic would move from sharing the RS232 lines with weather to using their own additional ARINC 429 lines. I know that with the SkyTrax100, the ARINC 429 traffic display is the Skywatch presentation (like the IFD Trainer app) instead of the ADS-B presentation through RS232. I believe that is also true with the SkyTrax200 and SkyTrax100B, but I could be wrong about that. |
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Posted: 24 Aug 2021 at 3:36pm |
In AUX - SETUP - Map Setup there is a map filter for non-TA traffic that defaults to 40 miles. Try lowering that mileage to suppress the more distant traffic.
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I have an MLB100 from WAAAYYY back in the day, circa 2017-ish. I'd love to be able to upgrade this one to the Skytrax200 and take advantage of the better traffic and weather on my IFD540.
I *think* my MLB100 was setup for ARINC429, and I do get weather and TISB traffic on the IFD. The presentation I see of the traffic is the pointy arrows, not the diamonds. I don't think I get the little line from the nose of the arrow showing the traffics predicted heading either. Can I still do the trade-in / upgrade for the new dual band Skytrax, and will it be an easy task for my shop to do? No wiring changes? Would it be better to switch to RS232 for the wiring? |
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I’m glad the process went smoothly. I’m doing the same process with the trade next week. How many hours were involved in the install and setup?
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I just had my original MLB100 replaced with the SkyTrax 200. The shop charged me 6hr of labor with the following entry: "Removed existing Avidyne MLB100. Installed customer supplied MLB200 rewired GPS
RS232 wiring at IFD 540 to work with MLB 200. Per Avidyne Skytrax 200 IM 600-00335-000
May 2021 Rev 2."
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Paul, that’s quite a bit more than it took someone else for the same install. Perhaps, yours took more wiring. Did you buy the unit directly from Avidyne. I notice it said “customer supplied. “
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There were no wiring changes for my upgrade from the MLB100 to the SkyTrax200. Years ago when 10.2.0 was released, I had the IFD RS232 GPS output to my MLB100 changed to use ADS-B+ (G) format data. This involved putting the MLB100 GPS input on its own IFD RS232 output port. Previous to 10.2.0, the MLB100 GPS input had shared the Aviation format data from the IFD with two other devices on the same RS232 port.
As I recall, prior to 10.2.0, Aviation format data was required for the MLB100 and the IFD could only output Aviation format on one RS232 port.
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Can the same antenna from MLB 100 be used for the SkyTrax 200 ?
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yes it can. I just did the conversion and although there was a problem with the new 200, the same antenna was used
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Great, thank you
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Has anyone who has done the Skytrax 100 trade in to a Skytrax 200 seen a "maintenance required" message on their traffic thumbnail? See photo. My shop has tried everything that Avidyne has suggested and still it persists. I am wondering if anyone else has seen and solved this. The Skytrax 200 works perfectly with traffic and weather otherwise.  |
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What are your Mx mode configuration settings?
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I am not sure but I know Mike Salmon reviewed the settings with my shop. I will check today and report back. So far, they removed unused pins from the harness that could cause interference and checked settings that Mike advised.
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What RS-232 GPS protocol is your IFD sending to the SkyTrax200? With this trade-in, my IFD now sends ADS-B+(G2) RS-232 GPS data to the SkyTrax200. I get the "Maint Required" traffic thumbnail message at system startup; however, the message disappears as soon as the IFD determines its GPS position.
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These are the settings we were told to use. I have the red X in the thumbnail until it gets a position, but then the “maintenance required “ persists for the whole flight.
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I'm thinking something got lost in the translation when speaking with tech support. The channel 1 output should be ADS-B+(G2). I just checked with Mike Salmon and he's in agreement with that setting (as dmtidler said).
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Posted: 13 Nov 2021 at 12:55am |
To clarify, I too get the red X in the traffic thumbnail until the IFD gets a position at which point I get a single momentary "Maintenance Required" that only lasts a couple of seconds at most. I'm curious with your SkyTrax100, did you have a persistent "Degraded" or similar message in the traffic thumbnail? If not, was your traffic display the ADS-B display (aircraft represented as triangular wedges with predicted track lines) or the TAS style Skywatch display (aircraft represented as diamonds like seen in the IFD Trainer App)?
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I did not have the persistent degraded message on the 100 (although I did see it rarely) and the traffic symbols were the triangular shapes pointing in the direction of travel with an up or down arrow if they were climbing or descending. Why do you ask?
I’m going to make that setting change on channel 1 output today and see if it makes a difference
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Your RS-232 channel 2 output is Aviation; do you know if that is going to the SkyTrax200? If so, is it also going to other equipment too? For instance, my Aviation data is currently shared with a JPI engine monitor and a 406 ELT.
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I really don't know if the Aviation on channel 2 output is going to the SkyTrax. I did make that setting change that was suggested but the message still persists? :( I guess I'll just have to wait to see what Avidyne comes up with. I left the new setting in place as the traffic and weather still seem to be working fine.  |
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As I understand it, just like the SkyTrax100 when set up for the ADS-B traffic display, needs the same RS-232 outputs and inputs from the IFD. The IFD RS-232 input and output that were set to SkyTrax Tfc+WX both become CapStone HS Trfc+Wx. The IFD RS-232 output that was ideally ADS-B+ (G) preferably becomes ADS-B+ (G2); however, should also work if it stays ADS-B+ (G).
Did you have an IFD RS-232 ADS-B+ (G) output set before the SkyTrax100 to SkyTrax200 trade-in? BTW - a picture of your IFD Main RS232 Config page from before the trade in could be very helpful. If your IFD did not have that output, then my guess is that the CHNL 2 Aviation Output is providing the RS-232 GPS signal to your SkyTrax. If that is the case and provided your SkyTrax100 was the only user of Aviation data connected to the CHNL2 output, then changing the CHNL 2 output to ADS-B+ (G2) should ultimately work. The SkyTrax200 settings may have to be adjusted if it doesn't automatically detect the new RS-232 configuration. If your IFD RS-232 CHNL2 output Aviation data was shared with other devices as well as the SkyTrax100, then you may need to have the now SkyTrax200 GPS RS-232 wire separated and put on its own RS-232 CHNL ADS-B+ (G2) output so that Aviation data can continue to be provided to the other devices. My personal experience with Aviation GPS data to the MLB100/SkyTrax100 displaying ADS-B traffic (not SkyPath) was a persistent "degraded" message in the traffic thumbnail which is why I asked if you were seeing that message before the trade-in. |
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Unfortunately, some of this discussion is above my pay grade :) but this is a photo of my RS-232 page before the upgrade to the Skytrax 200. I'm not sure how to determine if the Channel 2 Aviation Out services the Skytrax or anything else. It is the BOTTOM box that has the ADSB.  Edited by teeth6 - 13 Nov 2021 at 5:02pm |
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From the pictures, it appears your SkyTrax100 was getting ADS-B+ (G) from the CHNL 1 output of your IFD550 and the traffic & weather feed from CHNL 1 input and output of your IFD540. Was your IFD550 ever tried with a CHNL 1 output of ADS-B+ (G2)? Looks to me like your IFD540 CHNL 1 input and output should both be set to Capstone HS Trfc+Wx as your original picture from yesterday showed.
BTW - Was your IFD540 recently replaced? I noticed the Avidyne logos on the IFD540 in the picture above is not the same as for the IFD540 picture from yesterday. Edited by dmtidler - 13 Nov 2021 at 5:32pm |
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Boy, are you observant! Yes, my 540 was replaced about 6 months ago. Would you suggest I go back to the same Capstone setting as before on Channel 1 in and out and then try ADS-B +(G2) on channel 1 out on the 550?
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Posted: 13 Nov 2021 at 7:11pm |
Yes, I would go back to the same Capstone settings on your IFD540 and try changing the ADS-B+ (G) to ADS-B+ (G2) on your IFD550. I'm not overly hopeful that will correct the issue; however, those are the identical settings I am using successfully on my SkyTrax200 as well as the Avidyne recommended settings. If that doesn't work, I would think the settings in the SkyTrax200 would need to be checked. AFAIK - the only other RS-232 input the SkyTrax200 requires is a pressure altitude input. I'm assuming that is wired to come directly from your encoder (like my airplane is wired) or from another altitude source because I didn't see any corresponding RS-232 output from your IFDs. I don't believe your SkyTrax100 would have worked properly without that pressure altitude input.
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Posted: 29 Nov 2021 at 6:55pm |
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...So after a bunch more troubleshooting, it appears this is now a known issue and Avidyne is coming out with new software for the Skytrax 200 to address this "maintenance required" problem. They are suggesting I stay with the Capstone setting on the Channel 1 IN and the ADS-B+(G2) on the OUT. The software should be available in the next few days.
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Posted: 07 Dec 2021 at 9:02pm |
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So....I guess I spoke to soon. The SB is out and the new software was installed in the Skytrax 200 but unfortunately, I am still seeing the "maintenance required" message on the traffic thumbnail. I guess it is back to the drawing board but everyone seems to be out of answers at this point.
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