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Release 10.2.3.1

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Topic: Release 10.2.3.1
Posted By: AviSteve
Subject: Release 10.2.3.1
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 4:15pm
Many of you may have seen this on Facebook, but here's the official communication for that release:

Avidyne is planning to release IFD software version 10.2.3.1 before the end of March for all models and versions of IFDs. There will also be a new IFD trainer app released shortly that will demonstrate the 10.2.3.1 features. Release 10.2.3.1 will add many new features including the following enhancements:

1. Adds GLAS (GPS Legacy Avionics Support) for support of Proline 21 in CJ and King Air

2. Adds improved ADS-B Weather and Traffic integration with Foreflight

3. Adds ADS-B textual TFRs, AIRMETS and SIGMETS.

4. Adds support for Garmin G5 HSI

5. Adds support for Lynx NGT-9000 Remote Transponder

6. Adds a new zoom mode which provides the ability to display large datablocks and button label text

7. Adds support for both Heads-Up Technologies XMD-076A datalink and GDL 69A SXM

8. Allows for display of datablocks on the SVS pages

9. Improves display and editing features of Airways SIDS and STARS and approaches

10. Adds fuel totalizer function when connected to a remote fuel computer

11. Improved Wi-Fi configuration to ease integration with Stratus, Foreflight and other Wi-Fi connected devices.

The new 10.2.3.1 training application includes all the 10.2.3.1 features, new tutorials on using the system, much more flexibility in "flying" the simulated IFD, easier database loading, and a host of other improvements


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering



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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 4:26pm
Here is a more detailed list of changes:

Interfaces
  Support for Heads-Up Technologies XMD-076A datalink
  Add  improved ADS-B output when connected to Foreflight
  Add support for Garmin G5 HSI
  Scale roll steering for G3X compatibility
  Fix G500 MapMx erroneous SUSP indication
  Add support for NGT9000 remote transponder

Map/SVS
  Changed fuel range ring coloring
  Enhance visibility of range-to-altitude arc *
  Allow datablocks to be shown on the SVS pages *
  Enhance visibility of the next waypoint on the map *

FMS
  Improves display and editing features of Airways, SIDs, STARs, and Approaches *
  Allow "No Transition" for SIDs and STARs *
  Enhance Paste button capability across all FMS pages

AUX
  Added a "zoom" mode for datablocks and button labels
  ETE in datablocks goes to MM:SS when below 10 minutes *
  Eliminate nuisance "Datalink Data Not Rcvd" alerts *
  Enhancements to fuel processing when only a fuel flow sensor is present
  Clarify temperature datablocks (TAT/SAT vs OAT)
  Enhanced user interface for  WiFi (networking) configuration
  Enable touch control of the Map Setup page

Those items marked with a * were implemented as a result of your feedback (primarily from the "Suggestions for 10.3" thread).

Once we get 10.2.3.1 delivered, I'll start another thread for more suggestions - although the existing list is long already!


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: Gring
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 4:48pm
Steve, thanks for the update, looks like a good release. Really appreciate your support.


Posted By: CubedRoot
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 4:52pm
HOLY SMOKES!! We finally have ADS-b WEATHER and traffic from the IFD540 to Foreflight!  I think I am more excited about this than I am all the other freaking awesome additions :-)

Great work guys,  looking forward to getting mine updated as soon as its available.


Posted By: ttvetdoc
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 5:18pm
Excellent update Steve!  Quick novice question - I have a Heads Up XMD-076 receiver.  The information from the XMD is already being 'fed' to my 440, therefore it would simply require changing the settings in with the new update, versus doing any physical re-wiring at the back of my 440 correct? 

Thanks,

Russell


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SR22 - KEQY


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by ttvetdoc ttvetdoc wrote:

I have a Heads Up XMD-076 receiver.  The information from the XMD is already being 'fed' to my 440, therefore it would simply require changing the settings in with the new update, versus doing any physical re-wiring at the back of my 440 correct?
If your XMD-076 receiver is already hooked up, then all you'll have to do is change the settings.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 12:27am
VERY COOL! Love it.

* Orest


Posted By: ttvetdoc
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 8:42am
Is this update going to allow me to switch back and forth between Foreflight and the IFD100 app while connected to my Stratus as a Wifi hub?

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SR22 - KEQY


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 9:01am
Originally posted by ttvetdoc ttvetdoc wrote:

Is this update going to allow me to switch back and forth between Foreflight and the IFD100 app while connected to my Stratus as a Wifi hub?
Yes, the corresponding release of the IFD100 will fix that.  I haven't personally tested it with the Stratus, but that really shouldn't matter since the problem is only on the iPad.  I have tested it when connected directly to the IFD and you can switch back and forth.  There's a delay of a few seconds as the IFD100 re-establishes the connection.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: forkauto
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2019 at 3:03pm
Any idea what my dual G5's will do differently after the update? It says added support but not what is being changed, thanks


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2019 at 3:06pm
Nothing really.  That item is included in release notes because the G5 was not specifically called out as supported equipment in the Installation Manual.  Now it will be.

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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2019 at 4:50pm
Steve, you specifically indicate support for the G5 HSI.

Although there are reports of several installations, I haven't seen Avidyne indicate support for the G5 AI. Did I miss something, or is the G5 AI still not officially supported by Avidyne?

I would like to replace my AI with a G5 AI (incl GMU11 & GAD29B) with connections (RS232 & ARINC) to my IFD540. The G5 installation manual has instructions for doing this with a GNS530, including parameter settings, so I expect it to work with the IFD. But having a support statement would provide more of a warm fuzzy. In particular, the G5 outputs ARINC label 204 Baro-corrected Altitude as EFIS/AirData and I want to make sure that the IFD accepts the data for FA/CA/VA (to altitude) leg auto-sequencing. The impression is that the GNS530W would do so.

I have no need for the G5 HSI, as my Sandel 3500 is already more capable.


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Vince


Posted By: Kentucky Captain
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2019 at 3:21am
11. Improved Wi-Fi configuration to ease integration with Stratus, Foreflight and other Wi-Fi connected devices.

Can you expound on the Wi-Fi configuration fix?  What does the new firmware acutally do?

I have an IFD540 and my iPads have the IFD100 app as well as Foreflight.  I have configured my IFD540 to be a client on the Stratus 2 network.  Not my preferred setup, making a mult-thousand dollar device dependant on a $900 one that I can't reach in the cockpit since it is mounted in the equipment rack behind the baggage bin.  Is this update going to mess that configuration up?  What difference in functionality will there be?

It sounds like we might not need the Stratus 2 for ADS-B and WX in Foreflight after this update?  Is that correct?
Thanks.


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Spending my kid's inheritance, one upgrade at a time.


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2019 at 9:12pm
No, it won't mess up that configuration.  The change has to do with the UI for configuring the WiFi network, with the intent of making it easier to manage.  The network(s) will be set up in Maintenance mode and then the network choice will be made in flight mode.  The goal was to make it easy to select network configurations - sort of like choosing a network on your PC or your iPad.

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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: n7ifr
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2019 at 9:27pm
Thanks Steve.
Looks like v10.2.3.0 will add lots of good stuff.

Tom Wolf


Posted By: Kentucky Captain
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2019 at 3:51am
So what is the exact functionality going to be between Foreflight and the IFD now?


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Spending my kid's inheritance, one upgrade at a time.


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2019 at 10:14am
The IFD has always output Capstone-compliant ADS-B data suitable for use by Foreflight and similar apps.  To date, Foreflight has not used that data stream and, therefore, was unable to display the ADS-B data from the IFD.  In 10.2.3.1, we will output ADS-B data over a different interface, purely to drive Foreflight.  Other IFD-Foreflight capabilities remain unchanged.

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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: teeth6
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2019 at 10:53pm
Just like that old E.F. Hutton commerical....."When we talk, Avidyne listens."   :)


Posted By: muddy00
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 12:40pm
So being the new guy I assume we will have to have a dealer update the software ?


Posted By: George P
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 1:22pm
I believe that FAA requires it.  You may be able to install it under an A&P "supervision".


Posted By: Leonard
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 2:58pm
10. Adds fuel totalizer function when connected to a remote fuel computer

Would you explain this .  Fuel computer? Such as a JPI FS-450, or will only a fuel transducer be needed and the IFD will function as the fuel computer.


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by Leonard Leonard wrote:

10. Adds fuel totalizer function when connected to a remote fuel computer

Would you explain this .  Fuel computer? Such as a JPI FS-450, or will only a fuel transducer be needed and the IFD will function as the fuel computer.
My second post (the one with more detail) is more reflective of the actual changes, but even that one was a little vague just saying "enhancements".  That change will allow the IFD to perform fuel flow integration to determine fuel used in an installation where only fuel flow is provided.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: Leonard
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 3:36pm
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

Originally posted by Leonard Leonard wrote:

10. Adds fuel totalizer function when connected to a remote fuel computer

Would you explain this .  Fuel computer? Such as a JPI FS-450, or will only a fuel transducer be needed and the IFD will function as the fuel computer.
My second post (the one with more detail) is more reflective of the actual changes, but even that one was a little vague just saying "enhancements".  That change will allow the IFD to perform fuel flow integration to determine fuel used in an installation where only fuel flow is provided.

Still scratching my head..
 I've read the second post before posting, thus the above  question.
I've been wanting to incorporate a fuel flow computer in a R-44II. However I have no room in the panel for the display. Looking at the 540's fuel management in the Saratoga, my AI and I were thinking about either relocating the panel hobbs meter to the side of the instrument panel as some are and using the hobbs hole for the Fuel managements display,  Or remote mounting the display and have the IFD as the display.

What I'm hoping you are saying is that all that will be  needed is the fuel flow sensor for fuel management.
WOW, now my head hurts.


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by Leonard Leonard wrote:

WOW, now my head hurts.
So did mine, so I went to the source and asked the engineer who is most familiar with the fuel system.  He says you'll still need some unit that sends fuel flow to the IFD (e.g. a DAU, data concentrator, fuel computer) since the IFD doesn't interface directly with fuel flow transducers.

The fuel flow integration feature is implemented in software and allows us to display fuel used and fuel remaining from DAU/computers which only send fuel flow.  Previously, you would not see Fuel Used and Fuel Remaining from those units, which tend to be the simpler devices you would want for blind mount.

So this change might help you a little bit, but you will still need an external box to interface between the IFD and the fuel flow probe.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: Freff
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 5:23pm
Hello

Can you please explain:
"Adds support for Lynx NGT-9000 Remote Transponder"

Has this somehow been changed since the previous version?  I have been using the NGT-9000 for ADS-B weather and traffic display on the IFD-540 for quite a while.

Thanks


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 5:25pm
Originally posted by Freff Freff wrote:

Can you please explain:
"Adds support for Lynx NGT-9000 Remote Transponder"
The key word is "remote".  10.2.3.1 adds the capability for the IFD to control a remote mounted NGT9000.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: HenryM
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 6:03pm
There's a product called NGT-9000R that doesn't have a display. This is the remote NGT-9000:

http://www.l-3lynx.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/acss_lynx_pricing_final.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.l-3lynx.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/acss_lynx_pricing_final.pdf

I'm surprised the list price is only $60 less than the NGT-9000. 


Posted By: Leonard
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 10:16pm
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

Originally posted by Leonard Leonard wrote:

WOW, now my head hurts.
So did mine, so I went to the source and asked the engineer who is most familiar with the fuel system.  He says you'll still need some unit that sends fuel flow to the IFD (e.g. a DAU, data concentrator, fuel computer) since the IFD doesn't interface directly with fuel flow transducers.

The fuel flow integration feature is implemented in software and allows us to display fuel used and fuel remaining from DAU/computers which only send fuel flow.  Previously, you would not see Fuel Used and Fuel Remaining from those units, which tend to be the simpler devices you would want for blind mount.

So this change might help you a little bit, but you will still need an external box to interface between the IFD and the fuel flow probe.

Steve.... Thank You


Posted By: Gring
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 6:29am
Let me help to simplify what Avidyne is saying. Until this release the IFD will display only fuel information sent to it by the 3rd party fuel computers like JPI, EI, Shadin, etc.  if the computer didn’t send fuel remaining, you didn’t see it on the IFD. With this new release, for those situations where the IFD receives only fuel flow information and not fuel remaining, fuel used, etc. the IFD will now do those computations itself and present the information.

The difference is in what device - either the 3rd party, or now the IFD are the calculation off of the fuel flow information being done.  You still need the 3rd party fuel computer to read and manage the fuel flow sensor(s) and send the flow information to the IFD.


Posted By: paulr
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 9:11am
and in 10.3 when we get timer alerts based on fuel burn this capability is going to be even more useful!

Side note: having the range ring on your IFD is a life-changing feature. It is immensely helpful for situational awareness. It's well worth the investment of a monitor.


Posted By: brou0040
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 9:20am
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

FMS
  Improves display and editing features of Airways, SIDs, STARs, and Approaches *

I think this is the one I'm most interested in.  I'll ask if you can give more details on that feature as well, but what i think would be easier and we'd appreciate here is an updated manual with revision bars.  That way we can read the changes there without having to re-read the entire thing trying to pick out the updates.


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 9:48am
Originally posted by brou0040 brou0040 wrote:

I think this is the one I'm most interested in.  I'll ask if you can give more details on that feature as well, but what i think would be easier and we'd appreciate here is an updated manual with revision bars.  That way we can read the changes there without having to re-read the entire thing trying to pick out the updates.
Yep, that's the one you're interested in.  However, figuring it out from the Pilots Guide update won't be so easy.  There is currently a PG for every model of IFD and that's way to hard to maintain.  Going forward there will be only two versions - one for the IFD400 series and another for the 500 series.  We considered having just one version, but decided against that mainly because of the differences in bezel height and how that affected the pictures in the document.  Anyway, because of the scope of change, there are no change bars.

Here's a synopsis of the changes to flight planning:

1. Procedure brackets will reflect the fact that a waypoint is shared between two procedures.  For instance, if you have an airway that ends at ABQ and an approach that starts at ABQ, the bracket for the airway will end and the bracket for the approach will start "in the middle" of the ABQ leg.

2. A missed approach will not combine legs with a subseqent approach.

3. Legs with the same identifier but different altitude constraints will not combine.

4. In some cases where legs are combined, there is an option to "Restore Gap" that will cause the legs to be uncombined.  Don't get used to this one.  The need for it will most likely go away in a subsequent release as we continue to improve flight planning.

5. Some waypoints within terminal area procedures can now be deleted.  Again, this is a step improvement.  The rules will likely be loosened even more in a subsequent release.

6. Most departures and arrivals now have an option to enter "No transition".  Whether it is presented as an option is dependent upon the structure of the procedure in the database.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 11:29am
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

Here's a synopsis of the changes to flight planning ...


Thank you, thank you, thank you! No more need for "tricks" (like inserting bogus waypoints inbetween) to keep wayponts from merging, under a number of circumstances.

Love it. 

* Orest


Posted By: ansond
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 1:18pm
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

Originally posted by brou0040 brou0040 wrote:

I think this is the one I'm most interested in.  I'll ask if you can give more details on that feature as well, but what i think would be easier and we'd appreciate here is an updated manual with revision bars.  That way we can read the changes there without having to re-read the entire thing trying to pick out the updates.
Yep, that's the one you're interested in.  However, figuring it out from the Pilots Guide update won't be so easy.  There is currently a PG for every model of IFD and that's way to hard to maintain.  Going forward there will be only two versions - one for the IFD400 series and another for the 500 series.  We considered having just one version, but decided against that mainly because of the differences in bezel height and how that affected the pictures in the document.  Anyway, because of the scope of change, there are no change bars.

Here's a synopsis of the changes to flight planning:

1. Procedure brackets will reflect the fact that a waypoint is shared between two procedures.  For instance, if you have an airway that ends at ABQ and an approach that starts at ABQ, the bracket for the airway will end and the bracket for the approach will start "in the middle" of the ABQ leg.

2. A missed approach will not combine legs with a subseqent approach.

3. Legs with the same identifier but different altitude constraints will not combine.

4. In some cases where legs are combined, there is an option to "Restore Gap" that will cause the legs to be uncombined.  Don't get used to this one.  The need for it will most likely go away in a subsequent release as we continue to improve flight planning.

5. Some waypoints within terminal area procedures can now be deleted.  Again, this is a step improvement.  The rules will likely be loosened even more in a subsequent release.

6. Most departures and arrivals now have an option to enter "No transition".  Whether it is presented as an option is dependent upon the structure of the procedure in the database.

WOW!!! This is going to be awesome Steve... THANKS to the Avidyne team for this release... 

Doug
N208LG


Posted By: Leonard
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 4:42pm
Originally posted by Gring Gring wrote:

Let me help to simplify what Avidyne is saying. Until this release the IFD will display only fuel information sent to it by the 3rd party fuel computers like JPI, EI, Shadin, etc.  if the computer didn’t send fuel remaining, you didn’t see it on the IFD. With this new release, for those situations where the IFD receives only fuel flow information and not fuel remaining, fuel used, etc. the IFD will now do those computations itself and present the information.

The difference is in what device - either the 3rd party, or now the IFD are the calculation off of the fuel flow information being done.  You still need the 3rd party fuel computer to read and manage the fuel flow sensor(s) and send the flow information to the IFD.
Gring,
If this is true thank you for clearing this up. Kinda what I thought just wishful thinking needing to install only a fuel transducer.  The G-3 in the Toga sends all that info to the IFD. I'm in no hurry to install a fuel totalizer in the 44. I'll just wait until the latest IFD update is installed in both units and see how it performs in the Toga and  if there is anything new that I don't already have.
Leonard


Posted By: MysticCobra
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2019 at 3:26pm
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

5. Some waypoints within terminal area procedures can now be deleted.  Again, this is a step improvement.  The rules will likely be loosened even more in a subsequent release.

6. Most departures and arrivals now have an option to enter "No transition".  Whether it is presented as an option is dependent upon the structure of the procedure in the database.
Woohoo!  These are very exciting to me.  My EFB software is unencumbered by the requirements of certification, and has let me do these things for years now.  It will be nice to have (or eventually have) this flexibility with the IFD!


Posted By: Flybuddy
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 10:19am
" 11. Improved Wi-Fi configuration to ease integration with Stratus, Foreflight and other Wi-Fi connected devices "

Does this mean that we would be able to display weather and traffic from something like a Stratus 3 on an IFD screen without using another app like Foreflight?


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 10:31am
Originally posted by Flybuddy Flybuddy wrote:

" 11. Improved Wi-Fi configuration to ease integration with Stratus, Foreflight and other Wi-Fi connected devices "

Does this mean that we would be able to display weather and traffic from something like a Stratus 3 on an IFD screen without using another app like Foreflight?
No, it just means that it's easier to configure the WiFi on the IFD.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: ttvetdoc
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 1:42pm
Hey Steve,

Any update on the progress of the 10.2.3.1 update?  One of the Avidyne liaison's on the Cirrus forum mention a few weeks ago that there was some thought about waiting and rolling the 10.2.3.1 update into a larger 10.3 update more towards the middle of the year.  Not sure if there is any truth to that.

Thanks,

Russell


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SR22 - KEQY


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 1:59pm
No truth to that.  We're doing final cert documents as we speak.

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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: Katamarino
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 1:07am
Nice. I'm hoping to update my software before starting my round-the-world flight on May 6th..!


Posted By: Baronpilot48
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 8:50pm
My Baron had the "mandatory patch" installed a few weeks ago.  The avionics shop, an Avidyne dealer, that there was NO word on when 10.2.3.1 will be released.  The only thing I got from the "mandatory patch" was the joy of having my IFD 540 now freezing up.  After today's flight I'll spend my Monday trying to get Avidyne tech support on the phone, something I'm not looking forward to.  As far a 10.2.3.1 I'll be surprised to see it by mid 2019.  Hopefully someone on this forum has some truthful insight and answers.


Posted By: teeth6
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 10:23am
Originally posted by Baronpilot48 Baronpilot48 wrote:

  As far a 10.2.3.1 I'll be surprised to see it by mid 2019.  Hopefully someone on this forum has some truthful insight and answers.

Why do you say that?  The bug in the software has been fixed and all paperwork is being submitted to the FAA now.  It should not be much longer at all.


Posted By: Baronpilot48
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2019 at 2:09pm
I made the statement I made because it's been my experience over past two and half years I've had m IFD 540 in my Baron.  Don't get me wrong it's a great unit but, again in my experience, updates come out long after they are promised and it's difficult if not impossible to get tech support on the phone.  I have had great success speaking with Joe in sales who was my first contact at Avidyne.  For now my unit is suffering from a few problems that I'm hoping 10.2.3.1 will solve.  The mandatory "patch" caused new problems.  I like nothing better from Avidyne than to speak with an engineer who might be able to address the issues I'm having.   As of this writing I have no idea of how to accomplish this or when 10.2.3.1 will really be available.  


Posted By: safari
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2019 at 3:55pm
Wow customer service has been amazing at Avidyne There must be a reason you have had problems with customer service. I have never talked to any one or any shop that had trouble getting hold of customer service. In fact during my installation I had the senior vp of engineering call me on a Saturday afternoon from his cell phone from the middle of a lake while he was fishing. It just does not get better than that. 

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Dave


Posted By: Alouicious
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 12:31am
Agree with Dave:  Customer service from the Avidyne folks is very responsive!  Sorry to hear about Baronpilot48's experience.  Doesn't reflect mine.  
As to the timing of new firmware:  Ambition and expectation gets trampled by FAA bureaucracy.  Sometimes it seems the FAA folks that oversee Avidyne are being paid by 'G' and others...  Just sayin'...  However, it does give a bit of comfort that the delays allow the engineers to squash any potential bugs.
Just give thanks that all the interactions and information available exist!  And in just a few 'clicks'.



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Be happy! Your choice.


Posted By: migs
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 3:00pm
Other than the change in the manual, have there been any changes to the software regarding the G5? I have a G5 HSI, a KAP140 autopilot and an IFD540. Since the G5 was installed the autopilot cannot track a VOR course. It can track the localizer, and a GPS course, but not a VOR course.

Is Avidyne aware of this issue? Are any software changes coming in with the next release related to this problem?

Thanks.


Posted By: Baronpilot48
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 12:00am
Felt compelled to post an update to my earlier admittedly frustrated post.  This Monday I reached out to Avidyne via their main phone number and was informed that they were updating their telephone system, certainly understandable.  Through the main number I was immediately connected to a guy who patiently heard me out and passed me on to Chris.  After explaining the issues I was having with my IFD 540 Chris said "whatever the problems are they will get to the bottom of it and solve all of them".  She and the engineers have apparently been working diligently, as promised.  I'm not beyond admitting I was wrong, and I was.  I owe Avidyne and the members of this forum an apology, which I humbly offer.  Now I remember why I choose my IFD 540 in the first place.  If it turns out that I was causing the problems I'll own that here as well.  


Posted By: Baronpilot48
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 12:02am
BTW:  I'll post the outcome here, hopefully it will benefit others as well.


Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 8:23am
Christine can fix anything.

* Orest


Posted By: teeth6
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 8:32am
Agree!   She is fabulous.   A real asset to Avidyne. 


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 9:34am
Originally posted by migs migs wrote:

Other than the change in the manual, have there been any changes to the software regarding the G5? I have a G5 HSI, a KAP140 autopilot and an IFD540. Since the G5 was installed the autopilot cannot track a VOR course. It can track the localizer, and a GPS course, but not a VOR course.

Is Avidyne aware of this issue? Are any software changes coming in with the next release related to this problem?

Thanks.
I haven't heard of that particular behavior, but so many of these things depend on the suite of installed equipment in the aircraft.  10.2.3.1 does have a small change related to G5 and it does have to do with selected course, so I'm hoping that will fix your problem. It won't be long until you're able to determine that...


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Posted By: migs
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 10:27am
Thanks for the reply. I am looking forward to testing the new release. I am hoping that it will address other issues we have with the IFD540 (SiriusXM radio support on GDL69A, spurious "Datalink data not received" messages).
I am going to post a description of my issue with the G5 on the G5 thread, and I will update after we install the new release.



Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2019 at 9:13am
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

It won't be long until you're able to determine that...

:-)  Racing up on the end of April .... hint, hint.



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Posted By: MarkZ
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2019 at 9:49am
I’ve got to sympathize with anyone who tries to get anything certified through the FAA. I’ve been watching SureFly’s experience getting their electronic ignition certified through the ineptitude of these “professionals”. 


Posted By: Catani
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2019 at 4:09pm
Originally posted by MarkZ MarkZ wrote:

I’ve got to sympathize with anyone who tries to get anything certified through the FAA. I’ve been watching SureFly’s experience getting their electronic ignition certified through the ineptitude of these “professionals”. 

Ineptitude?  That’s kind of harsh given the likelihood you have no personal knowledge of the give and take that is actually going on. People working for manufacturers screw up plenty as well - as anyone who has worked for a company with more than a few employees knows well.  I for one am glad somebody is verifying the safety of the stuff we are sold (I would not want to fly if my certified plane and its equipment were no safer than the buyer-beware experimental scene).

And when the FAA delegates this oversight responsibility to the manufacturer- bad things can happen.  Boeing, for example, is not going to be publishing financial forecasts for the rest of this year. Who knows when they will again at this point.

I understand that some folks don’t mind the buyer-beware approach, as it works for most household products, and it makes things significantly cheaper.  But as one of those who are willing to fly in only certified airplanes with certified equipment, I’m appreciative of the effort the FAA and the people working in it put to make “certified” something I can count on.

The experimental market is flourishing for those who think the FAA is just an albatross around the necks of our straight-arrow defect-free aviation enterprises yearning to break free.  The FAA itself says go ahead, have at it if you want.  And yes, no one can disagree that it’s a lot cheaper way to fly if you’re willing to accept the risk.   


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2019 at 11:05pm
There's nothing to blame on the FAA for this delay.  Finding errors late in the process just has a bigger impact than finding them early.  I still haven't given up on April, but it could be the 30th.

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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: Lachgn
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 10:39am
Steve, I think I’m safe saying we are all glad for the diligence of those who review and test.  
Gary


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Posted By: paulr
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 6:32am
Good news from the "Avidyne Pilots' Club" Facebook group: the keeper of the group (maybe Kelly?) posted an update yesterday that said "Waiting on FAA approval on 10.2.3.1. If we could tell you how long it will take you know we would."


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 9:19am
If you look at the glass half-full, we met our April date because we submitted to FAA!  If you look at the glass half-empty, we'll be a few days late :)

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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: Randy
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 12:18pm
>>>we'll be a few days late :)<<<

STONE THEM!!!!!
Regards,
Randy
(Just joking... Keep up the good fight.)


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Regards,
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Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 6:45am
Steve,

With 10.2.3.1 now available on the sim/trainer (where it shows as 10.2.3), the question arises about whether an IFDxxx manual update is planned.

Looking at your list of changes in the release, a few don't jump out during a first use of the new trainer release (perhaps they will with more practice):
- display and editing features of Airways, SIDs, STARs, and Approaches
- no transition for SIDs and STARs

I see that setup now has a zoom option for the screen, and wifi on/off has been replaced by Network Off or LIO_WIFI, which I assume is the name of the currently configured wifi network (still done in maintenance mode?).

Sorry for my ignorance, but what do the T and S represent in the TAT and SAT acronyms?

Airspace lines are much clearer now... a nice improvement.



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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 8:10am
- Yes, there is a Pilot's Guide update ready to go just waiting for 10.2.3.1 to be approved.  Maybe I can get that posted early.  I'll try.

- You'll notice slight changes in the way that procedure brackets are displayed.  They now illustrate the situation better when a waypoint is shared between two procedures.  Also, you are now able to delete some legs within terminal area procedurs.

- When you are selecting an enroute transition for SIDs and STARs, you'll now be presented with an option for "None" (i.e. no enroute transition).  Note that if the procedure has no enroute transitions or if the common segment has no legs, the option will not be presented.

- You still set up networks in Maintenance mode.  However, you can set up more than one (like maybe a local one and a remote one for a Stratus).  Then, you can switch between the two in flight mode on the Setup page without having to go back to Maintenance mode.

- TAT = Total Air Temperature
- SAT = Static Air Temperature



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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 8:24am
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

 - You still set up networks in Maintenance mode.  However, you can set up more than one (like maybe a local one and a remote one for a Stratus).  Then, you can switch between the two in flight mode on the Setup page without having to go back to Maintenance mode.

That is really cool, and will help us a lot to quickly change the operational mode. Many thanks!


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Posted By: paulr
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 8:28am
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

- When you are selecting an enroute transition for SIDs and STARs, you'll now be presented with an option for "None" (i.e. no enroute transition).  Note that if the procedure has no enroute transitions or if the common segment has no legs, the option will not be presented.

SWEET. 

No, seriously. Atlanta Center gives me the SWTEE.1 arrival *all the time* with no transition and it's a PITA to set up. This will solve that nicely. Thanks to you and the team for getting this in.


Posted By: MysticCobra
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 4:32pm
Originally posted by paulr paulr wrote:

Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

- When you are selecting an enroute transition for SIDs and STARs, you'll now be presented with an option for "None" (i.e. no enroute transition).  Note that if the procedure has no enroute transitions or if the common segment has no legs, the option will not be presented.

SWEET. 

No, seriously. Atlanta Center gives me the SWTEE.1 arrival *all the time* with no transition and it's a PITA to set up. This will solve that nicely. Thanks to you and the team for getting this in.
I agree.  I often get no-transition SIDs and STARs, and am looking forward to this.  I also often get clearances that include an intermediate waypoint along the STAR, so I'm also looking forward to the new leg-deletion feature.  Thanks, Steve!


Posted By: Lachgn
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 5:51pm
I’ve never been assigned a STAR, so trying to understand the matter under discussion, how does ATC specifically assign the SWTEE intersection, and to which arrival?  Then, what is it that makes that a difficulty with our IFD’s?  Pardon my ignorance.

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Posted By: paulr
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 7:22am
(for reference: see the plate: https://download.aopa.org/ustprocs/current/SE-4/swtee_one_rnav_star.pdf)

The IFD expects that when you load the arrival, you'll either load BIZKT.SWTEE1 or LPTON.SWTEE1. When I fly in from north Alabama, my direct route will normally take me north of those routes, so typically when I'm somewhere just northwest of RMG, ATC will call me and amend my route to give me something like "direct OKRAA, thence the SWTEE1 arrival". It's simple enough to load the STAR and then sequence the leg I want, but it would be easy-er if I could load the arrival when I get it even if there's no assigned transition.


Posted By: MysticCobra
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 8:17am
Originally posted by Lachgn Lachgn wrote:

I’ve never been assigned a STAR, so trying to understand the matter under discussion, how does ATC specifically assign the SWTEE intersection, and to which arrival?  Then, what is it that makes that a difficulty with our IFD’s?  Pardon my ignorance.
And in my case, I often get initial clearances like IDU9.IDU then to some other waypoint not on the IDU9 SID ( https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/1905/05433INDUSTRY.PDF" rel="nofollow - page 1 , https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/1905/05433INDUSTRY_C.PDF" rel="nofollow - page 2 ), but the IFD currently doesn't allow me to make IDU the end of the SID.  Instead, it makes me pick a transition that's not part of my clearance, which results in waypoints in my fligthplan that are not part of my clearance, and I can't delete them.  That means I'm taking off with a known-wrong flight plan loaded in my IFD.  When I'm in the air and get to the last SID waypoint that's part of my clearance (IDU, in this case), I have to manually take action to choose "direct-to" the next waypoint I'm actually cleared to and skip over the unneeded SID transition waypoints.  This is a time-critical action to maintain my cleared flight path; if I miss it, the autopilot will fly me on the wrong path.  The only workaround to this is to manually enter the subset of SID waypoints I'm actually cleared for, which can sometimes be a lot so I usually just set a timer and pay attention.

Coming home, like paulr, I am often given a clearance that includes a STAR, like https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/1905/00198BLUBELL.PDF" rel="nofollow - BLUBL3 .  The clearance I get on the ground matches one of the published transitions (say, CLL.BLUBL3), but on one route I commonly fly, shortly after takeoff I almost always get an amended clearance that includes "direct BLUBL", bypassing any of the published transitions.  Again, I can't currently delete waypoints that are part of a published transition, but in this case at least I can enter BLUBL as a separate waypoint in my IFD flight plan before the STAR, and once I'm on that leg, scroll down to the BLUBL waypoint that's part of the STAR and choose "direct-to" that waypoint to join the STAR.  That eliminates the time-criticality of making the change...I have the whole time I'm flying the "first" leg to BLUBL to remember to take this extra "direct-to" action.

These limitations have ancillary annoying effects, too.  All of the IFD's fuel planning projections, ETA and ETE projections, etc. are inaccurate while the flight plan still includes waypoints I'm not flying to.  

For years I have relied on my $200 uncertified EFB (which does allow editing SIDs and STARs) in these cases because the $15,000 certified navigator in the panel has these limitations, so this is a much appreciated change!


Posted By: Lachgn
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 10:28am
Wonderful explanations from Paulr and MysticCobra.
Thank You!


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Posted By: SB Jim
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 12:32pm
My IFD 540 (2015 build) is at Avidyne now being updated/modified as necessary.

I’m hoping we can get this latest mod done while it’s there (realizing I have no control or say in the matter).

Jim


Posted By: Stevei
Date Posted: 05 May 2019 at 4:32am
i’m Having a Garmin 345 installed in 10 days and was going to have them do the software update at that time.

Should I delay and reschedule the appointment?


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 05 May 2019 at 9:36am
Originally posted by Stevei Stevei wrote:

Should I delay and reschedule the appointment?
No guarantees, but I think I'd roll the dice and keep the appointment.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 10 May 2019 at 11:02am
Must be close now. The 10.2.3.1 manual versions have appeared on Avidyne.com

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Vince


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 10 May 2019 at 11:32am
You have good timing Vince.  I just got word that...

10.2.3.1 is approved!


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: ansond
Date Posted: 10 May 2019 at 11:56am
awesome!!!!!  Thanks Steve and Avidyne!


Posted By: FlyingCOham
Date Posted: 10 May 2019 at 12:29pm
Steve, can we get a list with details of what's in it? THANKS!!


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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 10 May 2019 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by FlyingCOham FlyingCOham wrote:

Steve, can we get a list with details of what's in it? THANKS!!
The list is at the beginning of this thread.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: ddgates
Date Posted: 10 May 2019 at 1:25pm
Steve:
Why the departure from what many of us have done in the past where dealer cooperatively is a challenge?

Many of us have obtained the firmware and instructions and done the upgrade with our AI with the AI sign off at the end.

Now that won't be a viable path?




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Posted By: SB Jim
Date Posted: 10 May 2019 at 2:02pm
If Avidyne still has my IFD 540 I hope they upgrade it to 10.2.3.1 as well!

Jim


Posted By: AlexTB20
Date Posted: 10 May 2019 at 4:32pm
How can we download and install it? 


Posted By: Flybuddy
Date Posted: 10 May 2019 at 6:58pm
Originally posted by ddgates ddgates wrote:

Steve:
Why the departure from what many of us have done in the past where dealer cooperatively is a challenge?

Many of us have obtained the firmware and instructions and done the upgrade with our AI with the AI sign off at the end.

Now that won't be a viable path?




Where did you see this? I've only had my IFD for 5 weeks and the shop that installed it is a 300nm r/t. I've got avionic techs, APs and IAs where I live and would surely hate to have to travel for a simple update.


Posted By: brou0040
Date Posted: 10 May 2019 at 8:06pm
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

You have good timing Vince.  I just got word that...

10.2.3.1 is approved!

Nice timing, I just downloaded the GPS rollover fix, but now I can jump to 10.2.3.1.  Looking for where to get the SW for my IA.


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 10 May 2019 at 10:42pm
I know you all have been waiting a while, but give us a day or two to get it all posted to the dealer website.  Some of you asked about doing it yourself and I don't readily have the answer to that.  I'll check into it next week and post back.

In the meantime, as Vince noticed, the pilot's guides have been updated and posted to the website.  The biggest change to the pilot's guides is that there are now only two - one for the 500 series and one for the 400 series.  Features that are only available to specific models or configurations are marked as such.

Also, the updated IFD100 will be released to the app store next week.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: allenc3
Date Posted: 11 May 2019 at 12:20am
Yes, most of us do not want to waste a day plus the gas to travel to a distant Avydine dealer to do a simple software upgrade. On the GPS fix you set it up so the software could be downloaded to the user, along with a form thay had to be signed off by our local AI. This form was then faxed back to Ayidyne. That's what I did for the GPS fix, why would this (or any other) software upgrade be any different.

Still learning this box.


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Claude


Posted By: allenc3
Date Posted: 11 May 2019 at 12:24am
BTW, I also have a Power Cart to plug into my aircraft so I do not have the not enough battery power issue.

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Claude


Posted By: ddgates
Date Posted: 11 May 2019 at 8:27am
BTW, Steve, the updated PG is really nice.

Looking forward to seeing the updated IFD100 app.


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Posted By: brou0040
Date Posted: 11 May 2019 at 8:57am
Originally posted by allenc3 allenc3 wrote:

Yes, most of us do not want to waste a day plus the gas to travel to a distant Avydine dealer to do a simple software upgrade.

This and I've had the dealer send back multiple units under warranty.  I can't imagine anything that would show that the dealer is more capable of these simple upgrades than a local IA.  We go through this evolution on every single release, I also wish this would settle on a standard process.


Posted By: teeth6
Date Posted: 11 May 2019 at 10:13am
In defense of Avidyne, it’s understandable why they have a large fee when a customer bricks a unit doing a software change. Some (like the GPS patch) are much easier than others. When a dealer does the install, they assume the responsibility if something goes wrong. When the install is done under the supervision of an A&P, there is risk involved which may cost a lot more than a trip to a dealer for the install. 


Posted By: allenc3
Date Posted: 11 May 2019 at 12:08pm
If you can't follow simple directions updating a computer system from a thumbdrive, you probably need to find another hobby or advocation.

If you dont have the ability or resources (Power Cart, etc) then by all means, spend the time and the money going to a dealer, but for the rest of use, at least give us the option.

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Posted By: ddgates
Date Posted: 11 May 2019 at 7:25pm

"The Avidyne position is that any shop that holds a repair station certificate, an A&P, or an Experimental Aircraft owner with log book signoff authority can perform the update. The person performing the update must follow the provided Service Bulletin explicitly and mail/fax/email back in the completed update sheet that is part of the Service Bulletin but Avidyne does not restrict this to just Avidyne Service Centers."

This is a quote taken verbatim from the most recenty released Pilot Guide.



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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 10:03am
That's great!  The maintenance shop on the field where we keep our plane did the patch with us - we set up the GPU, obtained the update and documentation, they looked it over, verified, and signed it off.  It was faster, more convenient, and a lot less expensive than bringing the plane to an avionics shop.

Now I just need directions for how to obtain the 10.2.3.1 update and the documentation.


Posted By: ddgates
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 6:31pm
And now I have a question around 10.2.3.1 which crosses several systems; ADS-B, active traffic, and the IFD5XX units.

A number of us have TAS-6XX-A units which acquired the -A (ADS-B IN) functionality this past summer.

Now, we have a box that merges active transponder interrogation (TAS) with air to air ADS-B (1090ES), as well as ADS-R (978) on 1090, and TIS-B.

Reading the 10.2.3.1 PG (which BTW is very well done), it indicates that the boxes can display TAS/TCAS traffic in traditional TCAS (diamond) symbology, and it also indicates that the IFDs can display ADS-R, ADS-B, and TIS-B traffic in ATAS (triangle) symbology with position vectors and direction.  This aligns with AC20-172B.  Up until now, all the traffic sent to the IFD from the TAS-A box has been displayed in TCAS format.   Previous communications from Simpson indicated that the additional information for ATAS is in the data stream, requiring the box to request.   Is enablement of ATAS symbology for appropriate targets now enabled in 10.2.3.1?

Maybe too much to hope for but that is where the PG would lead the uninformed..

Thanks.


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Posted By: n7ifr
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 9:36pm
Well expressed question, David.

We are waiting with bated breath to try v10.2.3.1 to see if our TAS-A boxes will now unlock the derived target Direction-Vector and display as a "UAT" look alike using only the 1090-In ADS-B and ADS-R targets.  

Then, per the new Pilot Manual, will set the IFD540#1 RS-232 to display Ryan TCAD and Skytrax Wx, and IFD#2 to Skytrax Traffic + Wx (and set Transponder to 1090 = On and 978 = Off) - seeing "UAT-Like" symbology on IFD#1 and 978-In UAT on IFD#2.

Tom W.


Posted By: allenc3
Date Posted: 13 May 2019 at 12:19pm
Avidyne apparently is not aware of there own policies. I called them and they insisted in needs a dealer to upgrade. Told them that is not what their lateset pilot guide states, Said they would get back to me (waiting). BYW, I have cut and pasted the exact quote from their guide:

IFD400 Series Pilot Guide
6-62 General
SOFTWARE UPDATES With very few exceptions, all software inside the IFDs is capable of being updated via the USB connections as well. This means the IFD does not need to be returned to the factory for any future software updates. The Avidyne position is that any shop that holds a repair station certificate, an A&P, or an Experimental Aircraft owner with log book signoff authority can perform the update. The person performing the update must follow the provided Service Bulletin explicitly and mail/fax/email back in the completed update sheet that is part of the Service Bulletin but Avidyne does not restrict this to just Avidyne Service Centers.

Claude

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Claude


Posted By: HenryM
Date Posted: 13 May 2019 at 2:47pm
I have gotten the software for two prior software updates, and installed it with my A&P overseeing the process and signing off the installation. This time, tech support is insisting that my A&P has to request the software update themselves as they will not send it to an owner unless it is for an experimental airplane. 

I am very disappointed with this new policy. It makes it far more difficult than necessary to update the firmware. My A&P is very busy and it may take a while before he can get to writing e-mails to Avidyne. I generally help him out with the leg work and even during owner-assisted annuals. I don't have a problem with the A&P signing off the installation, but I shouldn't have to jump through any hoops to just download the file for the update. After all, I am the owner/operator with final responsibility for the proper operation of the plane. 

What is the motivation for changing the prior policy? Are there too many issues with owners breaking their IFDs? I have a GPU and I understand avionics as well or better than many A&Ps. 


Posted By: allenc3
Date Posted: 13 May 2019 at 3:05pm
Well I was not even givin that option. Was told Ihad to go to a dealer!!



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Claude


Posted By: Lachgn
Date Posted: 13 May 2019 at 3:47pm
I’m pressed for time so rather than wait for when or if we are going to be able to do the update ourselves, I just had my avionics shop do it.  They worked me in a couple hours after my call to them.  It took a couple hours there but was done with no difficulties.  I’m grateful they could do that but dang!  $217!  On testing, I learned flight plan cross loading is disabled between the 440 and IFD100 now due to software version mismatch.  So now we wait for THAT new s/w.  (sigh)
At least Apple won’t hit me for $.
Hopefully.


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Gary


Posted By: Jessesaint
Date Posted: 13 May 2019 at 5:15pm
I'll make an offer to anybody on this list to upgrade their software for $50 through the end of May if they fly in to X35 airport in Dunnellon, FL. I have installed 2 updates so far. It does take time, but it's quite straightforward. It's not labor-intensive, but it takes over an hour just to run the update, plus getting all of the settings transferred. For this offer, you will need to have at least a relatively new version of existing software so I don't have to double update, which some units may require.


Posted By: HenryM
Date Posted: 13 May 2019 at 5:34pm
Thaks for the offer, Jessie. I wish I lived closer to you.

I wonder what changed since the last upgrades that were more easily available to owners with an A&P willing to sign off.



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