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10.2.4.1 Is Released

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Topic: 10.2.4.1 Is Released
Posted By: AviSteve
Subject: 10.2.4.1 Is Released
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2020 at 3:06pm
Release 10.2.4.1 is now available.  Installation of this release is optional and is available through an Avidyne dealer.

Here are the release notes:

Bug fixes
- Fixed error when inserting an approach prior to an active destination
- Allow lightning to be displayed with AviatorLT subscription with XMD076
- Fixed issue when using same com port for input at one baud rate and output at a different rate.
- Fixed issue caused by rubber banding with different databases
- Fixed com presets button on BT keyboard
- Inhibited Datalink page when no datalink sensor is configured

Improvements
- Reduced nuisance datalink alerts
- Add password protection capability to maintenance mode (for fleet Mx)
- Reformatted main system config page in maintenance mode
- Allow configurations with both AXP340 and AXP322
- Improved transponder control from the datablock
- Added user option to disable WiFi ADS-B output 
- Improved fuel range ring depiction
- Changed demo mode to always enable Capstone configuration



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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering



Replies:
Posted By: ReidJ
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2020 at 3:51pm
I'm currently getting datalink alerts with an NGT9000 connected to the IFD540/440.  I'm in Canada so its hard to test whether the datalink weather works until I fly down towards the States.  Will this update likely fix this nuisance datalink alert?


Posted By: PA23
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2020 at 7:09pm
Maybe I'm being a little impatient but I'm visiting my mechanic on Monday so I have a great opportunity to install and have him sign the log book, is the software going to be downloadable like 10.2.3.1 was?


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2020 at 10:55pm
Originally posted by ReidJ ReidJ wrote:

I'm currently getting datalink alerts with an NGT9000 connected to the IFD540/440.  I'm in Canada so its hard to test whether the datalink weather works until I fly down towards the States.  Will this update likely fix this nuisance datalink alert?
The generation of the "Datalink Data Not Rcvd" nuisance alert was fixed in 10.2.3.1.  The change in this release is to delete the message upon acknowledge so that the AUX button doesn't stay lit all the time.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2020 at 10:56pm
Originally posted by PA23 PA23 wrote:

Maybe I'm being a little impatient but I'm visiting my mechanic on Monday so I have a great opportunity to install and have him sign the log book, is the software going to be downloadable like 10.2.3.1 was?
This release is only available through dealers.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: Flybuddy
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 10:17am
Thx, I don't see any must have items for me on this release so dealer only made the update decision easy.


Posted By: ColinW
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 1:12pm
Thanks Steve for all the work to get this done.  Our bird is with the avionics shop right now and due collection tomorrow - hopefully they finally reconfigured the RS232 port connections to overcome the speed issue!  Nonetheless, it's good that 10.2.4.1 should now bring back the flexibility we had previously.

Our setup in a Cirrus SR20G2 now includes the Entegra PFD and MFD, Lynx NGT9000+ transponder and DFC90.  Is there any reason we should hold off the software installation?  I'm always wary of bring a first-adopter with newly-released software!

Colin


Posted By: Randy
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

This release is only available through dealers.
Then sir, I HIGHLY suggest, that you speak with your dealers.
The "DEALERS" here, near where I live, Southern Arizona, have two ways of dealing with your customer base:
1. They do NOT answer, nor return phone calls, texts, or emails.
2.  They are "kinda busy right now, and well, frankly, havent done any of those updates, and really don't have the time right now, to figure out how to do it."
I purchased these units, back when the end user could buy, recieve, and install them.  I assumed that the "updates" would be happily performed by your "dealers", or like myself, by holders of Inspection Authorizations.  
I never thought that Avidyne would release updates, and there would be no "dealers" to install them.
Regards,
Randy


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Regards,
Randy


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by ColinW ColinW wrote:

Is there any reason we should hold off the software installation?  I'm always wary of bring a first-adopter with newly-released software!
No reason to hold off.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by Randy Randy wrote:

Then sir, I HIGHLY suggest, that you speak with your dealers.
Our sales team is in contact with dealers on a regular basis.  If you have specific concerns, I'm sure sales@avidyne.com would be willing to listen.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: Randy
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 2:32pm
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

Originally posted by Randy Randy wrote:

Then sir, I HIGHLY suggest, that you speak with your dealers.
Our sales team is in contact with dealers on a regular basis.  If you have specific concerns, I'm sure sales@avidyne.com would be willing to listen.
Very well, then.



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Regards,
Randy


Posted By: PA23
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 2:35pm
Any reason avidyne changed their policy? I was able to download 10.2.3.1 which appears to have been a pretty major update,  give it to my IA and allow him to install it while he was doing other work, now I have to take it to a dealer that I might not see in between my static checks and convince him that he wants to spend time performing an update while he has more lucrative projects waiting for his attention.

I'm assuming this is a warranty upgrade?


Posted By: Randy
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 2:44pm
Email to sales.

Sir.
Steve Lindsley has suggested I contact you, as you can see by the forum post below.
This was due to the new release of the update to the Avidyne line of avionics.
My reply / suggestion, to him, was that the Avidyne dealers are not very open or inviting to your customer base, for updates, etc.  
In southern Arizona, where I am based, the dealers have two ways of dealing with customers.
1.  They do NOT answer the phone, email, text messages, nor do they return calls, texts, emails..
Pretty much non contactable.  
2.  They claim that they are "kinda busy, and have not really done any of those updates,and are not quite sure about how to do them, so we will get back to you, when we research it some."
Never to be heard from again.
I do NOT expect them to drop everything, to service my aircraft, but I do expect a certain level of support.  
If you think I am joking about the above, just try and contact them, NOT on Avidyne letter head, or phone number, or by telling them who you are... Just be a "Joe bag o donuts", and ask for a reservation to update your avionics.  See what your response is.
Be honest.  Don't cheat. I think you will be surprised at the level of "support" you will get.
Let me know how it goes.
Regards,
Randy


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Our sales team is in contact with dealers on a regular basis.  If you have specific concerns, I'm sure sales@avidyne.com would be willing to listen.
Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering
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Regards,
Randy


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Regards,
Randy


Posted By: LANCE
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

Originally posted by Randy Randy wrote:

Then sir, I HIGHLY suggest, that you speak with your dealers.
Our sales team is in contact with dealers on a regular basis.  If you have specific concerns, I'm sure sales@avidyne.com would be willing to listen.

My dealer can't even download the update since the link posted on your dealer portal doesn't work. A wasted trip to my dealer today.


Posted By: HenryM
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 3:20pm
I was very happy with Avidyne when I was able to do my own firmware updates. I've done several so far. Then the last time, I had to have my A&AP involved to download the upgrade. I happen to know more about electronics and computers than my A&P, but we work well together so we got it done.

Now only a dealer is allowed to do it. That is a huge step backward. I echo the sentiments above. Dealers are not interested and often not available nearby. I would not take my plane to any of the local dealers. The closest one I would trust is almost an hour flight away. I doubt they will be interested in a software update. It is also a major inconvenience to have to fly there, wait a couple of hours for the work to be done, and then fly back another hour. Sure the update only takes an hour, but the dealer will typically not be waiting on the update to complete and will then want to do some paperwork. 

Please go back to allowing an A&P or self-install with A&P sign-off. It really is a major annoyance to have to deal with an avionics dealer for just a simple firmware update. 


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 3:25pm
Originally posted by LANCE LANCE wrote:

My dealer can't even download the update since the link posted on your dealer portal doesn't work. A wasted trip to my dealer today.
I'm not sure what to tell you there.  I just tried the link personally and it worked just fine.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: PA23
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 3:34pm
Originally posted by LANCE LANCE wrote:


My dealer can't even download the update since the link posted on your dealer portal doesn't work. A wasted trip to my dealer today.


Reminds me of the days having to work with the local (IBEW) union, if you presented them with something that wasn't union made and you asked for it to be installed, you can bet they had problem after problem until you cried uncle.

You want to send the update information directly to the A&P/IA I'm fine with that but to try to schedule with a radio shop for something they really find more of a hassle, especially when they may not have done the installation can be difficult at best.


Posted By: Catani
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 3:43pm
When there were real bugs that needed fixing, it was nice to be able to get the units repaired quickly yourself and have an A&P sign it off. However, now that the designs are more mature and updates truly optional, I can see how that policy might have changed because (1) too many pilots messed up their units forcing Avidyne to commit resources to help them, or (2) too many dealers complained about the loss of business, or (3) both.  If that's the case, it could be for the better.  Unless you keep dealers happy, they won't service your customers, and you can't maintain or increase market share with their promoting other products. 

Just guessing, I have no inside info into the avionics market generally nor Avidyne in particular.


Posted By: Randy
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 4:22pm
Originally posted by Catani Catani wrote:

When there were real bugs that needed fixing, it was nice to be able to get the units repaired quickly yourself and have an A&P sign it off. However, now that the designs are more mature and updates truly optional, I can see how that policy might have changed because (1) too many pilots messed up their units forcing Avidyne to commit resources to help them, or (2) too many dealers complained about the loss of business, or (3) both.  If that's the case, it could be for the better.  Unless you keep dealers happy, they won't service your customers, and you can't maintain or increase market share with their promoting other products. 

Just guessing, I have no inside info into the avionics market generally nor Avidyne in particular.

Good point on keeping dealers happy.  BUT, the customer base, the end user, the payer of the money, needs to be happy as well.  
I have absolutely NO issue with dealers needing to do the update.  I DO have issue with the dealers NOT wanting / NOT knowing how / or too busy to DO the updates.
Avidyne has a fine line to walk.  I understand that. BUT, without the end user being happy, Avidyne goes away.

A thought just occured to me.  
What if:  An IA, such as myself, went to Avidyne, took a class or school, whatever, and became an "Avidyne Update Expert", and instead of a radio shop, you bring me your aircraft, I get the blessing from Avidyne to download the update, (because I am an "Update Expert"), do your update, charge you a reasonable fee, (give Avidyne a 5% kickback), sign your logbook and you be off.??!
No dealing with radio shops that are busy, or non contactable, just me, a nice retired IA, with too much time on his hands.
Maybe make a few IA's as "Update Experts"... the more the merrier.  


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Regards,
Randy


Posted By: Randy
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 4:59pm
The more I think about the Avidyne Update Expert thing, the more I like it.
If not a single guy, then after an update, the radio shops / dealers have an "Avidyne Update Weekend".
A specific date, from 9 am till 5 pm, two or three days.  Show up, get updated, pay the bill, fly away.
No need to contact them. Every shop would have the same day / time for Avidyne update.
Maybe an additional day, like a month or two after the update, for the  people who didnt have the time to update that weekend.


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Regards,
Randy


Posted By: Rangemaster_Tango
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 5:02pm
I'm disappointed in this change.  I won't be getting the update...not even remotely worth trying to get a dealer to do it, let alone paying extortion fees for the privledge.  

The last update process was so much better from my viewpoint.  Download the software and then provide the flash drive and instructions to the local A&P that has a soul.

Just the view from here. 

-Marty
IFD550/AXP322/Skytrax ADS-B in


Posted By: Catani
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 7:40pm
Originally posted by Randy Randy wrote:

I have absolutely NO issue with dealers needing to do the update.  I DO have issue with the dealers NOT wanting / NOT knowing how / or too busy to DO the updates.

Well, the problem with dealer attitude may be that Avidyne diverts the income that Garmin and L3 afford them by having them do those updates.  And, if so, would not happier Avidyne dealers who are happy to serve you make you happier?  For that reason perhaps, diverting income from shops to "install experts" is going from the frying pan to the fire, and would just perpetuate the problem. 

By the way, understand that many shops are overwhelmed with guys who just learned they need ADS-B Out.  My local shop is booked for months!  Getting them to do updates on Garmin or Avidyne or similar small jobs is going to be challenge for a while for any customer who hasn't reserved time with them already.


Posted By: Randy
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 7:55pm
Originally posted by Catani Catani wrote:

Originally posted by Randy Randy wrote:

I have absolutely NO issue with dealers needing to do the update.  I DO have issue with the dealers NOT wanting / NOT knowing how / or too busy to DO the updates.
  For that reason perhaps, diverting income from shops to "install experts" is going from the frying pan to the fire, and would just perpetuate the problem. 
I don't know the answer.  I was just thinking outside the box.  
If you are referring to INSTALL (with wiring etc) experts, then that is NOT what I was thinking of.
I am thinking of software install people.  
The shops are not getting the software install / update money now, by design.  They are not doing the work, nor do they seem to want the work.  Why would they complain about it?
In 2 years, when the avionics install business has dried up, and they see "update experts" getting the 15 minute jobs, while the install shops are looking at laying people off.. then they can have it back.
If Avidyne starts up "update experts" and I choose to become one, I won't be doing it for the money.
I will be doing it help  myself and friends of mine keep our  avionics up to date.  Money is not a player here.  I just think having options is better than begging shops to do a 15 minute job, and paying big bucks for it.  IF you can even get them to talk to you about it.



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Regards,
Randy


Posted By: HenryM
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 8:33pm
A firmware upgrade is about a 1 hour job, if everything goes ok, and you have a record of all the settings saved. If an internal SD card dies, it can be a lot longer! The installer doesn't need to be there the whole hour and can do something else in parallel, but my last firmware install took about 50 minutes from the time inserted the USB drive. 

I would be willing to pay a local shop, but most around here are not very good and I don't trust them with my avionics. The one I do trust is an hour away, so in addition to a 1 or two hour shop charge, I'd have to add the cost of two hours of flying my plane. It is a shame to pay a couple of hundred dollars for a very simple procedure. 

Can Avidyne shed some light why the process has changed from allowing owners to install, to requiring an A&P to order the upgrade, to now requiring a dealer license?



Posted By: teeth6
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 9:19pm
I’d like the ability to have an A&P do the install as much as the next guy but I’m sure Avidyne has their reasons.  I’m sure they took everything into consideration in making this change.  Does G***** allow A&Ps to upgrade their units?  My last “1 hour” upgrade at the avionics dealer turned into 4 hours due to multiple complications that required help from tech support.  I know many complain about the additional expense of the flight to the shop but we all love to fly and the hour flight for the $100 hamburger is not a burden.  Avidyne supplies a great product and is not charging for the update itself.  As it’s only a minor update, as others have said, waiting until the next major one is also an option.  


Posted By: Randy
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 9:42pm
Originally posted by teeth6 teeth6 wrote:

I’d like the ability to have an A&P do the install as much as the next guy but I’m sure Avidyne has their reasons.  I’m sure they took everything into consideration in making this change.  Does G***** allow A&Ps to upgrade their units?  My last “1 hour” upgrade at the avionics dealer turned into 4 hours due to multiple complications that required help from tech support.   
If I may. 
Exactly what were the complications?  
Did these complications require the dealer / installer to be with the unit for the full four hours?
Did these complications happen while the dealer / installer was with the unit, or after a few minutes / hours?
I am not sure where you live, but Avidyne support, as far as I know, is East coast time, and operate from approx. 9 am till 5 (maybe 6) pm, monday thru friday.
So I assume you started early Am, unless you are east coaster.
How did tech support assist in fixing your issue?
(IMHO, tech support could walk anyone thru the steps to fix an issue, or just say.. "pull unit, and send in", I dont see where dealers / installers are more "woke" to tech support help)
I am just trying to get a feel for how a dealer / installer is more "savvy" on the update / install of a simple "copy settings, plug thumb drive in, reboot unit, let unit update, etc."
Follow the service letter for upgrading.  They print the steps right on it.


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Regards,
Randy


Posted By: LANCE
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 10:15pm
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

Originally posted by LANCE LANCE wrote:

My dealer can't even download the update since the link posted on your dealer portal doesn't work. A wasted trip to my dealer today.
I'm not sure what to tell you there.  I just tried the link personally and it worked just fine.

I believe it works for you but here's a picture of their PC screen:




I had my Macbook Pro with me and they tried it on there also (I won't post that picture since it shows the entire web address of the ftp site.




Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 10:19pm
Originally posted by LANCE LANCE wrote:

...here's a picture of their PC screen
Thanks for those pictures.  I'll see if we can chase it down tomorrow.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: HenryM
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 11:13pm
There must be something wrong with your DNS server. I can reach that site from my iPad with no issue. It sounds like your machine can't resolve the address. 

I was also able to reach it from my Mac running the latest macOS.


Posted By: programmer@pcmforles
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 12:15am
I was able to do two today and there was no problem downloading and updating the units.
I am sort of the rover/troubleshooter of our shop and I can do these for anyone that needs the update, even on a short notice as I am not tied down to any one project in the shop.   We do them as one hour of labor including the logbook entry.   The bad news, we are in Reno, NV which is a bit isolated from most of the rest of the US, except northern California.    But if you are in our general area and need assistance we can definitely help out. 


Posted By: HenryM
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 12:43am
Thanks for the offer! Too bad I'm too far away.

I will likely skip this update and wait for 10.3, which I think is due sometime this year and should have more feature updates, right?


Posted By: GBSoren71965
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 8:12am
I have done all the previous updates myself, with A&P "oversite" and signing my logbook. They've all installed without a hitch, I've just followed the instructions. I can tell you for 100% certain that I know more about doing updates on the IFD series than my A&P. It's one of the things I've loved (and bragged to others about) about the IFD, I had the ability to do the updates without taking it to a dealer, as far as I know Garmin will not allow this.

This is the first update that I'll most likely skip. It doesn't really look like any of the fixes or enhancements affect my system. I'll wait for the next release, see what enhancement it offers, before going to a dealer for install.

I understand why Avidyne is doing it, and I can't say I'm upset, it'll just be less convenient. I'm afraid that some IFD's will go without getting needed updates in the future because of this.  


Posted By: PA23
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 9:44am
I'm not thrilled with Avidyne's decision regarding the software update and I don't think we will be able to change Avidyne's mind (although I'd like to think we can), my plan is come annual is to send my IFD440 in for repair as I have a major problem with receive sensitivity.  Transmit is fine and if I put a GNS430W back into the tray it has no issues with receiving.

I'm assuming that if the unit goes back Avidyne will upgrade it to the most current version of the software and probably include all mods too.



Posted By: Randy
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 11:56am
I have done a search, in the 8110.49, and 43.3, and even did a search for "avionics techs needed" and the different hiring boards, seeking the answer to my question:
      What is the F.A.A.'s requirement for a person to load software (FLS) into installed equipment?

I am unable to find a job description, other than "A&P mechanic". (Yes, I know, the new term is A.M.T., but I am old.  Change comes hard for me.) LOL

There is no definiton for "databases", but one could argue that the operting system of any avionics is a "database"  I'm not an attorney, so ymmv.

Is there a "school, study sheet, online course", that Avidyne gives to avionics shops, for them to become installers, dealers?  NOT the install, wiring, etc., stuff, but the installation of updates, and such?

Is there a standard that Avidyne uses for dealers, installers, etc.?  (Must do $x amount of business?  Have x amount of employees?  Have x amount of hangar space?  Anything along those lines?)

Is there someone at Avidyne that can answer these questions, (and a few more), or may be open to the idea of a "Avidyne Expert Updater" type of program?

I am serious about this, and the more I thought of it last night, the more I thought it would benefit Avidyne, and the Avidyne customer base.  

Bottom line:  This "expert updater" person would NOT install avionics.. he or she would only update the software, from the Avidyne site, under performance standards given out by Avidyne.
I really think this would be a great selling point for Avidyne.  

....".....Along with our state of the art avionics, you no longer need to wait on your busy radio shop for software installs... visit one of our knowledgeable expert updaters...."

I would be happy to talk to someone at Avidyne about this.
520-419-3238  cell 24/7 (except on sunday morning)



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Regards,
Randy


Posted By: skitheo
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 6:26pm
In general, I will agree with others on this thread that an informed, involved and diligent owner is more likely to follow the instructions correctly than the average shop technician (A&P or avionics tech).  There are certain dealers who are dealers in name only (DINO), while others truly are dealers.

My home field has examples of both now. The "real" dealer recently opened their doors and got my business while the DINO has been here for a long time and missed out. For past upgrades when only DINO was on the field, I was very thankful when Avidyne would allow me to to the update with or w/o an A&P sign-off. I'm fortunate to now have a real dealer to perform the update.




Posted By: Randy
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 9:33pm
Almost 10 hours, and nothing so much as a "go to he**."
I can only assume, the use of dealers for updating software, (and the subsequent LACK of service from those same dealers) is by design.
Nothing from sales, nothing from anyone here, nothing from Avidyne.
Mr. Schwinn started Avidyne to help G.A. get over the inertia of the "old radios", and the old way of doing things.  It appears his vision has been squawshed.  AND not by the F.A.A.
Sad really.



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Regards,
Randy


Posted By: LANCE
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 12:24am
Originally posted by Randy Randy wrote:

      What is the F.A.A.'s requirement for a person to load software (FLS) into installed equipment?


Software for the radios probably falls under the Airframe part of the A & P license.


Posted By: wb8wka
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 1:35am
Hi steve

Will this fix the issue between the IFD100 and IFD550, where the data was timing out causing data errors/mis-matches?  See the screen shots I provided tech support last summer.

Also I concur with a number of folks here asking for user updates. As an additional data point, some of your dealers, to be frank, aren't very familiar with your products, in fact each visit to a dealer I had to make I  ended up fixing some of their mistakes. Some of us are very capable, and having a AP sign off seemed like a good compromise. I'd also be willing to pay for tech support if that is your concern. Dealers aren't really a good option in my neck of the woods, as I don't really feel they are very competent and unless both myself and my AP sign off on the work, I really don't feel safe. Happy to go into more detail offline, but suffice to say I have good reason. 

Both these are screen shots at the same time.  One of the IFD550 showing no errors, and one of the IFD100 showing errors. Will this be addressed?

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1btdtmNnbYns5EL9JipZFWagZqSWLEiFX" rel="nofollow - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1btdtmNnbYns5EL9JipZFWagZqSWLEiFX

http://drive.google.com/open?id=1cdrb3Gdh356Ty3FjDIhc3h4PSIYNgs6P" rel="nofollow - http://drive.google.com/open?id=1cdrb3Gdh356Ty3FjDIhc3h4PSIYNgs6P


Posted By: Flybuddy
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 6:13am
Many dealers aren't enamored with Avidyne products to start with because slide in installation had cut them out of the loop whereas Garmin intentionally did not go this route showing they prioritized the avionics shops over the customer. Data updates for many of these shop owners will be considered a nuisance (same as it is for us).


Posted By: MarkZ
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 8:47am
The unit has Wifi, we should be able to update it from an iPad. 


Posted By: PA23
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 9:13am
Originally posted by MarkZ MarkZ wrote:

The unit has Wifi, we should be able to update it from an iPad. 


Via WI-Fi would be nice but that isn't going to happen, plus it is probably the most unreliable way to do an upgrade :) 

However updating it via the USB port should be allowed by any A&P (or owner under the supervision of the A&P).

I would be nice if Avidyne would at least say why the decision was made to disallow anybody from downloading the upgrade from Avidyne so their A&P could do the upgrade.


Posted By: teeth6
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 9:18am
Avidyne posted higher in this thread that it is because it is only a minor release and the last time they received 2000 calls from users needing tech help which took away from their  ability to help with other critical issues. 


Posted By: ReidJ
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 6:01pm
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

Originally posted by ReidJ ReidJ wrote:

I'm currently getting datalink alerts with an NGT9000 connected to the IFD540/440.  I'm in Canada so its hard to test whether the datalink weather works until I fly down towards the States.  Will this update likely fix this nuisance datalink alert?
The generation of the "Datalink Data Not Rcvd" nuisance alert was fixed in 10.2.3.1.  The change in this release is to delete the message upon acknowledge so that the AUX button doesn't stay lit all the time.

I am on 10.2.3.1.  Not sure why we're still getting that alert.  I know we are outside of ADS-B signal range, however I certainly don't need that alert popping up consistently as I fly around Canada.


Posted By: Aerochip
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 6:40pm
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

The change in this release is to delete the message upon acknowledge so that the AUX button doesn't stay lit all the time.

This is a welcome improvement but not enough enticement to spend the time and money to take it to a dealer.  Really disappointed in the dealer-only precedent being set.  


Posted By: dmtidler
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2020 at 9:34am
I do think it is disappointing that Avidyne is not staying with their own longstanding PG written position regarding IFD software updates. AFAIK, every version of the IFD PG so far has had this or similar stated position; below is from page 7-63 of the current (revision 7) IFD500 Series Pilot Guide:

SOFTWARE UPDATES

With very few exceptions, all software inside the IFDs is capable of being updated via the USB connections as well. This means the IFD does not need to be returned to the factory for any future software updates. The Avidyne position is that any shop that holds a repair station certificate, an A&P, or an Experimental Aircraft owner with log book signoff authority can perform the update. The person performing the update must follow the provided Service Bulletin explicitly and mail/fax/email back in the completed update sheet that is part of the Service Bulletin but Avidyne does not restrict this to just Avidyne Service Centers


Posted By: allenc3
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2020 at 1:03pm
You got that right. I went round and round with Avidyne over this issue on the last upgrade. My AI will sign off on the install, and I send (Faxed) a copy back to Avidyne.

For me to go to a dealer, the closest to me is in Tampa, about 120 miles south of me. I have to waste a day and 15-20 gal of 100LL to get their and then have the shop charge me 2 hours labor. One of the reasons I went with Avidyne and not stay with Garmin was to get away from this type of BS.

Your sales people are always sending me e-mail on new products, and have sent most of us leather pouch's to store our manuals, tee shirts, prop socks and ask us to be Avidyne Ambassadors by giving our pilot friends pre-printed cards etc, But your Technical support side seems to forget who actually paid our hard money for these boxes. Your dealers are not your customers, we are, and we should not have to go back to the dealer for anything that does not require the actual removal or repair of the Navigator. On top of that, attempting to get a dealer to even preform these updates is not a given. On the last upgrade most shops were up to their eyeballs in ADS-B installs, and were not about doing any software upgrade, hell, some of them did not even know how to preform it.

Avidyne states they are doing this just to limit some support phone calls? I personally had not problem with the last two upgrades and did not have to call you, but is that not what your support people are supposed to do, ie support us owners.

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Posted By: wb8wka
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2020 at 3:17pm
Originally posted by dmtidler dmtidler wrote:

I do think it is disappointing that Avidyne is not staying with their own longstanding PG written position regarding IFD software updates. AFAIK, every version of the IFD PG so far has had this or similar stated position; below is from page 7-63 of the current (revision 7) IFD500 Series Pilot Guide:

SOFTWARE UPDATES

With very few exceptions, all software inside the IFDs is capable of being updated via the USB connections as well. This means the IFD does not need to be returned to the factory for any future software updates. The Avidyne position is that any shop that holds a repair station certificate, an A&P, or an Experimental Aircraft owner with log book signoff authority can perform the update. The person performing the update must follow the provided Service Bulletin explicitly and mail/fax/email back in the completed update sheet that is part of the Service Bulletin but Avidyne does not restrict this to just Avidyne Service Centers


And also stated on this very forum by an Avidyne employee.  I'm one I'm sure of many who based in part his buying decision on this policy.  I'll pay if my AP has to do any support calls.  




Posted By: wb8wka
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2020 at 4:11pm
This just got posted on the Avidyne facebook group.





Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2020 at 4:26pm
we are in the process of working out the details.  Standby...

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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: allenc3
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2020 at 1:59pm
As long as we follow your detailed written instructions, we should be OK.


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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2020 at 2:33pm
Originally posted by allenc3 allenc3 wrote:

As long as we follow your detailed written instructions...
If only that always happened...


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Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: Cruiser
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2020 at 8:19am
Updating software should not be a complicated or feared process.
While there are many ways for updates to fail, they should not be catastrophic. 
Properly engineered, the update process should be nearly automatic with safe guards to prevent glitches.
In other words, routine.

Just sayin'


Posted By: ddgates
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2020 at 8:52am
+1

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Posted By: PA23
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2020 at 9:46am
I upgraded my unit from 10.2.3.1 to 10.2.4.1 without any issues, the whole process took under 25 minutes once all the listed pre-checks were completed (took pictures of the configuration screens for reference).  When all was done I went through the config pages and everything look correct.....easy peasy...


Originally posted by Cruiser Cruiser wrote:

Updating software should not be a complicated or feared process.
While there are many ways for updates to fail, they should not be catastrophic. 
Properly engineered, the update process should be nearly automatic with safe guards to prevent glitches.
In other words, routine.

Just sayin'


I do agree with you that the loss of power or some other screw up shouldn't render the unit bricked.  Although it is probably way too late to change the IFD units but it would be nice if the units had some sort of "fail safe" boot mode that would allow them to load a specialized recovery image, or contain enough storage flash in the unit to hold the current and a previous version of code, if the current version won't boot simply fall back to the previous version.

Jeff


Posted By: Spongebob38
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2020 at 4:10pm
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

we are in the process of working out the details.  Standby...


Steve,

Please post the link here or email me the link when it becomes available. I refuse to use Facebook.

I installed the IFD 540 from straight outta the box in an EAB RV-10. I wired the tray and all connections to the EFIS/ARINC 429 etc. this was not a Garmin replacement. I have updated both of the microSD cards in the unit as well, ask Christine for more details if needed.

I would like to stay current with the updates as Avidyne rolls them out. Appreciate the help.

Thanks,

John


Posted By: teeth6
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2020 at 5:07pm
<<< ask Christine for more details if needed.>>>>>
Christine is no longer with Avidyne 



Posted By: Spongebob38
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2020 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by teeth6 teeth6 wrote:

Christine is no longer with Avidyne 


Ouch, I wasn't aware of that, but then again it was July 2018 when I last spoke with her. Nearly two years ago. Crazy how time flies! pun intended :-)

john


Posted By: Bob H
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 12:16pm

Originally posted by Cruiser Cruiser wrote:

Updating software should not be a complicated or feared process.

While there are many ways for updates to fail, they should not be catastrophic. 

Properly engineered, the update process should be nearly automatic with safe guards to prevent glitches.

In other words, routine.

 

Just sayin'

 

I suppose anything is possible.  It’s easy being on the outside looking in and finding fault.  I think Avidyne has done a marvelous job of engineering the IFD architecture.  So, I’m of the camp that trusts they know what they are doing.  There are consequences of adding additional hardware and software.  Those must be weighed heavily against the primary functionality of the IFDs.  It is a compromise, especially with flight safety being such a priority.  Perhaps they have found the right balance which is to all of our advantage.



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Posted By: AZ Flyer
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 5:30pm
Originally posted by Cruiser Cruiser wrote:

Updating software should not be a complicated or feared process.
While there are many ways for updates to fail, they should not be catastrophic. 
Properly engineered, the update process should be nearly automatic with safe guards to prevent glitches.
In other words, routine.

Although these boxes were never intended to be consumer-level products, so I'm not sure that fool-proof updating was ever in the cards.  Although we tend to think of hardware memory as virtually limitless (which it effectively is), the coding needed to accomplish what you are suggesting is anything but trivial. And as soon as you add the additional layer of complexity needed to shield users from ID10T errors, the likelihood of unintended consequences and additional errors goes up dramatically.

So if keeping it simpler in fact reduces the potential for errors, then I'm all for that, even if it means some inconvenience and additional cost at update time.




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Posted By: Gring
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 6:59pm
Is there a new Pilot guide available?  The one on the Avidyne website has an April 2019 release date. I noticed a new setting in the user setup page called Zoom (on/off). It is the first selection in the list and I’d like to know what it does.


Posted By: Randy
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 9:58pm
Originally posted by AZ Flyer AZ Flyer wrote:


So if keeping it simpler in fact reduces the potential for errors, then I'm all for that, even if it means some inconvenience and additional cost at update time.


You have just argued BOTH sides of the issue.  Congrats.
Regards,
Randy


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Posted By: AZ Flyer
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 10:43am
Originally posted by Randy Randy wrote:

Originally posted by AZ Flyer AZ Flyer wrote:


So if keeping it simpler in fact reduces the potential for errors, then I'm all for that, even if it means some inconvenience and additional cost at update time.


You have just argued BOTH sides of the issue.  Congrats.
Regards,
Randy

No, not really.  It should have been clear from what I wrote that "keeping it simpler" means keeping the code simpler, not necessarily the updating process.  But if that was not clear, then I'll make it clear now: keep the code as simple as possible without gumming it up with a firewall that tries to anticipate and prevent all possible forms of updating errors.  The latter effort would, in my opinion, be a losing time- and resource-wasting process.  But then again I don't make these decisions, so YMMV.


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Posted By: AZ Flyer
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 12:22pm
There is another dynamic at work here, as well, and that has to do with company size and resources. For instance, Microsoft and Apple each have market capitalizations in the $1 trillion neighborhood and more than 130,000 employees. Same with Boeing (although its market cap is "only" about $200 billion).  And we are painfully aware of the difficulties these companies routinely have at getting software updates and features to function properly.

Closer to home, Garmin has a market cap of about $19 billion and 13,000 employees. 

Avidyne, at its largest had maybe 300 employees and perhaps is closer to 125 at present.  It is privately owned and therefore doesn't have a known market cap but may have gross sales of $25 to $50 million a year (depending upon the validity of online estimates).  Perhaps Dynon is a better comparator with around 50 employees and who knows what in annual sales.

The point is that Avidyne's resources are limited and product development and update decisions have very real stability and longevity consequences.  Frankly, the fact that we even have available these phenomenal products at competitive prices (especially the IFD series) is, in my opinion, nothing short of a technological, engineering, business and regulatory miracle.

Now, I knew all of this when I bought my first IFD540 in my previous plane.  I also knew that Garmin is much better supported in this part of the country.  But I still went with the IFD series, including in my current plane, because for me it wins hands-down in terms of usability and features (with a few unimportant to me exceptions) over anything Garmin produces.  

I was and still am willing to bet my avionics dollars that Avidyne will continue to support and competitively update its IFD boxes in ways that are consistent with the best interests of the company and its customers.



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Posted By: Bob H
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by AZ Flyer AZ Flyer wrote:

Originally posted by Randy Randy wrote:

Originally posted by AZ Flyer AZ Flyer wrote:

So if keeping it simpler in fact reduces the potential for errors, then I'm all for that, even if it means some inconvenience and additional cost at update time.
You have just argued BOTH sides of the issue.  Congrats.
Regards,
Randy
No, not really.  It should have been clear from what I wrote that "keeping it simpler" means keeping the code simpler, not necessarily the updating process.  But if that was not clear, then I'll make it clear now: keep the code as simple as possible without gumming it up with a firewall that tries to anticipate and prevent all possible forms of updating errors.  The latter effort would, in my opinion, be a losing time- and resource-wasting process.  But then again I don't make these decisions, so YMMV.
I thought your note was very clear and didn't myself understand the "...BOTH sides of the issue..." comment.

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Posted By: Flybuddy
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 1:33pm
Originally posted by AZ Flyer AZ Flyer wrote:

There is another dynamic at work here, as well, and that has to do with company size and resources. For instance, Microsoft and Apple each have market capitalizations in the $1 trillion neighborhood and more than 130,000 employees. Same with Boeing (although its market cap is "only" about $200 billion).  And we are painfully aware of the difficulties these companies routinely have at getting software updates and features to function properly.

Closer to home, Garmin has a market cap of about $19 billion and 13,000 employees. 

Avidyne, at its largest had maybe 300 employees and perhaps is closer to 125 at present.  It is privately owned and therefore doesn't have a known market cap but may have gross sales of $25 to $50 million a year (depending upon the validity of online estimates).  Perhaps Dynon is a better comparator with around 50 employees and who knows what in annual sales.

The point is that Avidyne's resources are limited and product development and update decisions have very real stability and longevity consequences.  Frankly, the fact that we even have available these phenomenal products at competitive prices (especially the IFD series) is, in my opinion, nothing short of a technological, engineering, business and regulatory miracle.

Now, I knew all of this when I bought my first IFD540 in my previous plane.  I also knew that Garmin is much better supported in this part of the country.  But I still went with the IFD series, including in my current plane, because for me it wins hands-down in terms of usability and features (with a few unimportant to me exceptions) over anything Garmin produces.  

I was and still am willing to bet my avionics dollars that Avidyne will continue to support and competitively update its IFD boxes in ways that are consistent with the best interests of the company and its customers.



Good Post! - on the company size issue, it's worth noting that with companies like Apple that they may be large and have huge resources but their product cost is 10 to 20 times less than an Avidyne customer. More outlay on our end should equal better expected service. If there's an Apple problem on an update, there are generally free solutions.
Having been an early Dynon Skyview adopter (RV6-installed myself) I did MANY updates as the product capability grew. Bricking the unit was almost unheard of.
I did the last Avidyne update by myself and got a neighbor AP to fill out the permission slip (same guy that uses me for his updates and tech stuff). I had 2 forms of backup juice to the panel and had no problems.
SUGGESTION:
Keep records of those (individuals and shops) who had issues with an update and discuss alternative means with them on the next update. No reason to have the whole class stay after school.


Posted By: Bob H
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 3:58pm
Originally posted by Flybuddy Flybuddy wrote:

Good Post! - on the company size issue, it's worth noting that with companies like Apple that they may be large and have huge resources but their product cost is 10 to 20 times less than an Avidyne customer. More outlay on our end should equal better expected service. If there's an Apple problem on an update, there are generally free solutions.
Having been an early Dynon Skyview adopter (RV6-installed myself) I did MANY updates as the product capability grew. Bricking the unit was almost unheard of.
I did the last Avidyne update by myself and got a neighbor AP to fill out the permission slip (same guy that uses me for his updates and tech stuff). I had 2 forms of backup juice to the panel and had no problems.
SUGGESTION:
Keep records of those (individuals and shops) who had issues with an update and discuss alternative means with them on the next update. No reason to have the whole class stay after school.
So you want Avidyne to maintain a database documenting different levels of upgrade capability by IFD owner or shop?  To get on that list there would need to be at least one round of upgrades to determine where folks stand.  They would either be successful or perhaps bricked their unit.  Then Avidyne can determine where to slot them for the next upgrade.  What should the method of release be for that first upgrade?  Subsequent upgrades would then require a database lookup for every IFD to determine the method of release.  Avidyne would be the first company in the world to develop such an innovative strategy, and it would be a NIGHTMARE!

Avidyne gets swamped for technical support help when a new upgrade comes out.  Look at Steve's note about folks following the instructions: "...if only that were so..."  You have highlighted your credentials for doing upgrades.  You are in the minority.  Why should Avidyne cater to you?  You have found a simple work around as have many others.  So no big deal.  Avidyne also has to consider FAA criteria.  I agree that Avidyne should provide A&Ps with the ability to do updates.  They have done that in the past and it appears they are implementing that here as well.


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Posted By: Flybuddy
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 4:20pm
It's NOT that complex---how many bricked units do you think they got last time? Probably just a few and what's the big deal to make a note in computer based on serial number so that they can discuss with them ahead of time--be proactive instead of reactive (less total work). Avidyne obviously listens to the customer base as they generally get more flexible on the updates.



Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 11:08am
OK ladies and gentlemen, the 10.2.4.1 software is now available for you to download.  Again, installation of this software will require a logbook entry with authorized signatures from A&P or IA.  You'll need to fill out the online form in order to get access.  Here's the link:

https://lz314.infusionsoft.com/app/form/10241software" rel="nofollow - https://lz314.infusionsoft.com/app/form/10241software




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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: PA23
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 11:12am
Yippee!


Posted By: HenryM
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 12:06pm
Thanks!!!


Posted By: FlyingCOham
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 12:38pm
THANK YOU  !!!!!   !!!!!! ( : > )


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Posted By: R0bst3r
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 1:13pm
This just proves again how much Avidyne rocks.


Posted By: TXCARGY
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 11:13am
Avidyne you are the greatest!

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Victor
Bellanca 17-30A
www.bellanca.us


Posted By: skybum02
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 2:35pm
how many hrs should a shop charge for the update? Going to a local dealer. 


Posted By: PA23
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 2:38pm
From the minute I turned on the GPS with the USB stick in the slot to the time it was finished took 25 minutes.  That doesn't include any paper work, or possibly pulling the unit out to do the update on a bench etc (what I did). 

Personally I would think 1hr shop time wouldn't be unreasonable, nobody says the paperwork can't be done while the upgrade is being performing


Posted By: Flybuddy
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 4:54pm
Doesn't appear to be a zip file as outlined in video so you can download directly to a USB thumb drive, files should be:
RUNONCE                                                      1KB
500-00207-000 CONFORMITY CHECKER.dsf  1KB
500-00206-000 FULL UPDATE.dsf                  44,642KB
500-00205-000Gold Master(2).dsf                86,196KB



Posted By: PA23
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by Flybuddy Flybuddy wrote:

500-00205-000Gold Master(2).dsf                86,196KB


Doesn't look right, shouldn't have the (2) in the name and you have a space in the name

My files are:
$ unzip -l 10.2.4.1_update.zip
Archive:  10.2.4.1_update.zip
  Length      Date    Time    Name
---------  ---------- -----   ----
 88264130  02-05-2020 11:45   500-00205-000 GoldMaster.dsf
 45712812  02-05-2020 11:50   500-00206-000 FULL UPDATE.dsf
      584  02-05-2020 11:50   500-00207-000 CONFORMITY CHECKER.dsf
   790095  01-16-2020 15:06   601-00182-034 SERVICE BULLETIN, IFD5XX-4XX SERIES UPGRADE TO 10.2.X.1.pdf

       15  02-05-2020 11:50   RUNONCE
---------                     -------
134767636                     5 files


Your file sizes look right (I'm viewing on a Linux machine which may calculate the sizes differently), you just have a screwed up filename.


Posted By: AZ Flyer
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 7:37pm
What could possibly go wrong.  😜

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Posted By: Gring
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 9:56pm
Originally posted by PA23 PA23 wrote:

From the minute I turned on the GPS with the USB stick in the slot to the time it was finished took 25 minutes.  That doesn't include any paper work, or possibly pulling the unit out to do the update on a bench etc (what I did). 

Personally I would think 1hr shop time wouldn't be unreasonable, nobody says the paperwork can't be done while the upgrade is being performing

Or recording all of the settings.  That can take awhile.  I did my update in 1hr complete with recording settings.


Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 11:00pm
I got charged 1-1/4 hours, complete. Update was done on a bench.

* Orest


Posted By: Flybuddy
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 4:04pm
Did the update today and it only took 22 minutes. However, I had one minor issue that I elected to call tech support to be thorough. Got 10 minute holds and then dropped to a desk answering machine to leave message--did this 3 times and also did an email..It's now hours later and never got a call back or answer.
The update isn't hard to do but don't think you'll have tech support as a crutch, you may be on your own.
One tip--look closely at IFD pic screen at bottom of page 12 in instructions, that's the pic you will get when it's done and, just like the pic, it will only show 62% complete on the progress bar. It's actually done and you can hit proceed and do the software checks.


Posted By: dwbarnett
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 3:27am
Hey folks, appreciate Avidyne offering this as a download. Thank You.

In addition to being an ATP, I’m also an A&P. Could I do this and sign off my logbook?

If so, Avidyne requires A&P shop and phone number. How would I list myself, if possible to do my own signoff.

Thanks,
David 


Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by dwbarnett dwbarnett wrote:

Could I do this and sign off my logbook? If so, Avidyne requires A&P shop and phone number. How would I list myself, if possible to do my own signoff.
Just put your name and phone number in that box.


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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: allenc3
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 2:09pm
I updated my software yesterday, about 20 min total. I do not know how you could possibly screw this up, as once the update is started, you do not touch anything until the install is complete. Mine did not lose or change any of the configurations As easy as updating a database.

I do have a Power Cart and plug that in before I start any upgrades, including the Data   

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Posted By: DH82FLYER
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 12:32am
I also just did my 10.2.4.1 update (from 10.2.3.1) which took about 25 minutes for the software transfer. Took another 10 minutes for the pre and post checks. All my settings remained unchanged. 
It was ueventful, however I was meticulous in my preparation, reading the service bulletin a number of times. I already had copies of my configuration and set up screens. I used external power.

I have done almost all of these software updates and they are a highly automated process but just require a little preparation. 
I enjoy doing them. 

Thomas


Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2020 at 1:43pm
Steve, in the list of fixes for 10.2.4.1 you mention the following:
"- Fixed issue when using same com port for input at one baud rate and output at a different rate."

Related to this is a question about RS232 input and output both at 115200 (on the same and/or different ports). What are the limitations here? My understanding is that RS232 Capstone/GDL90 input is fixed at 115200, but max output is 9600. Is that correct? If so, any plans to change?


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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2020 at 2:03pm
Originally posted by chflyer chflyer wrote:

Steve, in the list of fixes for 10.2.4.1 you mention the following:
"- Fixed issue when using same com port for input at one baud rate and output at a different rate."

Related to this is a question about RS232 input and output both at 115200 (on the same and/or different ports). What are the limitations here? My understanding is that RS232 Capstone/GDL90 input is fixed at 115200, but max output is 9600. Is that correct? If so, any plans to change?
We didn’t exactly understand the question, but maybe this explanation will fit the bill…

As of 10.2.4.1, the TX and RX for all of the RS232 ports can be configured independently.  Prior to the fix, if the IFD was configured for Capstone Wx or Capstone Trfc+Wx (or the corresponding high speed versions) on the RX side of the port, then the IFD would inappropriately set the TX speed as well.  In the event that you had something else configured on the TX side, the baud rate would likely not have been the correct speed.  Note that the bug did not affect the Capstone Trfc Only configuration.

The Capstone protocol has a fixed baud rate of 38,400.  The Capstone HS protocol  has a fixed baud rate of 115,200.



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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 7:52am
It answers the question, but doesn't quite address the issue.

The need is to be able to specify the RS232 output speed for the Aviation selection to 115200 baud, rather than the current fixed 9600 baud, or have 2 selections like is done for Capstone and Capstone HS.

The issue that I have is connecting a Golze ADL200 which can supply WX and ADS-B information to the IFD via GDL90 protocol using the Avidyne RS232 Capstone HS Trfc+Wx @ 115200 baud. It can also receive FPL route info from the IFD via the RS232 Aviation selection. But it cannot transmit at 115200 and receive at 9600. Both need to be at 115200.


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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 9:58am
Originally posted by chflyer chflyer wrote:

It answers the question, but doesn't quite address the issue.

The need is to be able to specify the RS232 output speed for the Aviation selection to 115200 baud, rather than the current fixed 9600 baud, or have 2 selections like is done for Capstone and Capstone HS.

The issue that I have is connecting a Golze ADL200 which can supply WX and ADS-B information to the IFD via GDL90 protocol using the Avidyne RS232 Capstone HS Trfc+Wx @ 115200 baud. It can also receive FPL route info from the IFD via the RS232 Aviation selection. But it cannot transmit at 115200 and receive at 9600. Both need to be at 115200.
Thanks to my colleagues in Boston...

We don't plan on supporting a 115.2 Aviation 232 stream.  However, it looks like the answer to your problem is already documented in the https://www.ing-golze.de/downloads/ADL190_200_User_Installation_Manual_2_00.pdf" rel="nofollow - Golze ADL200 installation manual .  See section 15...

For more advanced installations an optional RS232 combiner type ADLRS232 is available. It looks like shown below. The purpose of this device is first to allow RS232 input at 9600 baud 8N1 while outputting RS232 at 115200 baud 8N1. This feature will often be required because the Aviation Data output of many third party devices is fixed to 9600 baud while their RS232 Capstone/GDL90 input is fixed at 115200.





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Steve Lindsley
Avidyne Engineering


Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 10:38am
Yes Steve, that is a workaround but it requires purchase and installation of an additional device (the ADLRS232 combiner) with associated cables/connectors. That box is the same size as the ADL itself.

A shame considering that if an IFD RS232 port can support 115200 input it should be able to support 115200 output.


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Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2020 at 8:14pm
Many thanks for releasing the 10.2.4.1 release.

For 10.2.3.1 there was a 2nd version made available of the software package which also contained the current (at the time) installation manual (rev17).

Unfortunately the 10.2.4.1 didn't include it (rev18 I believe). The installation manual is very useful when planning panel changes and for the latest version should always be used, so it would be nice if it were included by default with software release packages.  


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Vince



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