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Early Feedback on the IFD540

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Topic: Early Feedback on the IFD540
Posted By: AviJake
Subject: Early Feedback on the IFD540
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2014 at 8:12pm
As I'm sure you're well aware, Avidyne has received an exceptional amount of feedback with respect to the field roll out of the IFD540.  

 One of the big areas centers around delivery dates.    Our sales/service crew are working their way through a mountain of backlog and trying to contact each individual high in the queue to arrange specific shipping dates/plans.  They are slowly but surely digging their way out of the giant backlog.   We know there are still "Month 1" folks who haven't been contacted and they will try to get to you soon.

Another big topic of feedback centers around the public offer for a heavily discounted transponder for new customers.   That has rubbed some folks the wrong way and a general ask is for Avidyne to do something to protect the early mover advantage that many of the pre-buy folks sought.  Without diving into the specifics here on the forum, I will say a few things….. a short time prior to cert, we moved from a customer direct model back to the dealer network sales model.  That means all quotes now must come from the dealer  (Avidyne --> dealer --> customer).  Of course Avidyne deals directly with the dealers but we're intent on working with the dealer to try and accommodate your specific concerns/asks.

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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com



Replies:
Posted By: SB Jim
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2014 at 1:25pm
Hello Jake,

It's hard for anyone to disagree with that.   

:-)

For what it's worth my plan is to inquire about any bundling opportunities when Avidyne calls to arrange a delivery date. I'll certainly ask the local shop as well.

As I mentioned earlier I already bet on Avidyne once, I could be motivated to bet some more.

Regards, Jim


Posted By: ddgates
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2014 at 2:07pm
Steve:

As I wander through this process aimlessly, I observe the two 540s I am installing is a new trick to my shop (which does largely brand G stuff).

I note that there are interesting value adds that the shop can do.  Those mentioned by Gring (new alias - "The Pioneer") include
1.  com swap yoke mount switch (to audio panel)
2.  TXP ident yoke mount switch  (to TXP)
3.  frequency swap yoke mount switch (to IFD)
4.  connectors to audio panel to provision stby monitor feature when activated.

And there may be more.

Are these called out in the Install Manual?  I get the impression that those currently installing are trailblazing through these issues.

Any way to simplify <i.e., enlightenment from Avidyne command central>?

Thanks

DMG


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David Gates


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2014 at 6:29pm
Ohh, I like the tag "Command Central".

Yes, those are all in the IM but arguably, well disguised.   In my test airplane, I have all 4.   I couldn't care less personally about #2 but I'm addicted to #1 and #3.

We'll discuss internally this week (we meet every Tues and Thurs on these kinds of topics) and see if we can improve the clarity of some of those options/recommendations.


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: ddgates
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2014 at 8:46pm
Steve:

Thanks.  My install will need the enlightenment this week.

N.B. "Command central" isn't _always_ complimentary <at least in my corporation!>

Please advise.


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David Gates


Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2014 at 4:21pm
If the goal is to placate the advanced purchasers and/or to drive more attach sales the obvious answer is to offer rebates or other offers to people who buy an Avidyne audio panel or transponder from a dealer and install it at the same time as the pre-purchased IFD.

A rebate should be enough to drive additional sales while being less than the discount the people who pre-purchased the panel or transponder got.

Someone else suggested you could extend the warranty for those of us who have been waiting years and that would be nice but of course you have to consider the cost to Avidyne.

You could also give away something, like an exclusive pre-purchaser t-shirt.  If you do that you could have the sign-up on the web and include a survey where you collect info such as how the installation went, what equipment was removed, and what equipment is now in the stack.  Marketing people love that kind of information.

If you provide t-shirts make them good quality.  There's nothing quite like a group of fat old pilots wearing ratty shirts with your corporate logo on them...


Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2014 at 5:20pm
Quote Someone else suggested you could extend the warranty for those of us who have been waiting years and that would be nice but of course you have to consider the cost to Avidyne.

Actually, pre-ship buyers do get an extra year's warranty already, two years total I believe.

* Orest



Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2014 at 6:18pm
I thought everyone got that if they registered their IFD.  Is it just the early buyers?


Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2014 at 6:42pm
IIRC, there is an automatic additional year add-on for the pre-buyers, and there is a third year available of an after warranty coverage plan available "free" if you register and do a survey.

For the non pre-buyers, they get one year, and the same additional one year of after warranty coverage (total of two together) if they do the registration and survey.

I may be off by a year, I'm sure Steve can give us the full skinny.

* Orest



Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2014 at 7:13pm
So we get an extra year of warranty for our early purchase.  That seems reasonable.  And they already have a survey?  Cool.



Posted By: pburger
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2014 at 12:55am
I don't know about y'all, but I already got my t-shirt.


Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2014 at 8:35am
I missed out on a t-shirt???


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2014 at 9:27am
As for warranty questions:

Pre-buy people get 2 years + 1 additional year (total of 3 years) if they register and sign up for AeroPlan on myAvidyne.com

All other customers get 1 year of warranty + 2 additional years (total of 3 years) if they sign up for AeroPlan.

As for T-shirts, I have no idea but I have a few ratty t-shirts I can donate.....


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: pburger
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2014 at 11:11am
Some Avidyne folks drove through the North 40 at Oshkosh last year throwing out IFD-540 t-shirts.  The fact that I was a preebie had nothing to do with it.  I do like the shirt, though.  I'm not sure if they gave any out this year - if so, I missed them. 


Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 7:46am
I was kidding about the t-shirt.  I just meant to point out that there were ways that Avidyne could encourage the pre-buy folks to purchase additional equipment while protecting their dealers.


Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 8:44am
Note that the "free" add-on Aeroplan year(s) are optional. Aeroplan stirred some initial controversy with its required waiver. I don't know if that has been amended, or if there is a pricier Aeroplan Plus, without the waiver. Buyer be aware.

* Orest


Posted By: ddgates
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:


We'll discuss internally this week (we meet every Tues and Thurs on these kinds of topics) and see if we can improve the clarity of some of those options/recommendations.

Install is in progress, Steve.  Can you give me the monitor pinouts please?

Thanks.

David


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David Gates


Posted By: GRINGODS
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 12:09pm
OWNER B58G
I upgraded my 530W to IFD540 last week and couldn't be happier. I have Skywatch Traffic 497 (ARINC) and mid continent switching unit. Took less than an hour to install and program. The automation, switching, display and information is very intuitive. It is simple to use and yet as complex as one could imagine.

The sales team/tech support have been very easy to reach and any questions have been answered immediately. I believe Avidyne wants their units to interact with other companies products. The company has evolved into something quite spectacular....immediate response, state of the art products in the IVD540, and more features to be added - incredible support and the ability to do data downloads and analysis instantaneously. This should save AOG. situations and rule out any malfunctions caused by the box itself.

If the above does not reflect it, let me say I'm thrilled with the upgrade. No, I don't work for Avidyne, and I paid full price for the IVD540 - just a very satisfied customer.


Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 3:19pm
Good to hear.

* Orest



Posted By: SB Jim
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 9:44am
Recently an acquaintance mentioned a latency concern regarding the 540 in terms of the time it took after pressing a button to see the result.

Any truth to this? Or is this just baseless hearsay?

Jim


Posted By: roltman
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 10:50am

Originally posted by SB Jim SB Jim wrote:

Recently an acquaintance mentioned a latency concern regarding the 540 in terms of the time it took after pressing a button to see the result.

Any truth to this? Or is this just baseless hearsay?

Jim

IMHO, it'd be baseless hearsay with my unit.  The iPad/Computer app takes much longer to respond than the real unit.

Its response time was one of the surprises I mentioned when I first used it.

The only lag I can recall is a very slight lag when first selecting an airway during on mapped FMS page during flight planning phase prior to selecting waypoints on the airway, but it's on the order of 1/10th or 2/10ths of a second. 

I only have a about 10hrs with it thus far, but I think I've thrown almost everything I can at it on including using the Jepp IFR charts to complex airway routes.  Every button press is instant from what I've seen, much better than my GNS430W where I can push its buttons faster than it can respond.



Posted By: SB Jim
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 12:31pm

Thanks.

Jim



Posted By: Joe Jet
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2014 at 4:44pm
Originally posted by SB Jim SB Jim wrote:

Recently an acquaintance mentioned a latency concern regarding the 540 in terms of the time it took after pressing a button to see the result.

Any truth to this? Or is this just baseless hearsay?

Jim


Wow. What an absolute pleasure to fly with. I had my data blocks set up on the ramp in 5" including my flight plan home. A couple of other interesting things we noticed vs the Garmin 750 they had in their showroom. When you move the map on the 540 using the touch screen the map follows as you move your finger. The GTN 750 lagged, the map would go blank, then after it caught up to your finger it would take some time to fill in. The Garmin had a slow processor, less memory, and/or inefficient code in its software. The other thing I noticed was that the Avidyne 540 satellite reception was not affected at all by transmitting on my KX155. Under the same circumstances, the Garmin 530W would drop satellite signal strength completely then some would return to a lower level. The Avidyne is obviously of higher quality, shielded better and an overall better design.


Posted By: Joe Jet
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 1:21am
Phoenix and back today with my new 540. I can't believe how nice it is to fly with. I had my ipad and sectionals along, but didnt need either. The 540 really reduces workload for both VFR and IFR flight and the need for an ipad or hard copies of charts. I have flown Collins, Honeywell, UNS and the Sperry/Honeywell and GE/Smith Industries systems in numerous corporate jets and Boeings and the Avidyne 540 is by far one of the easiest and most productive units to fly with......simply awesome!

Only issues I had, which may be operator error, were 1. Couldnt get any data to display in the VSR block, and 2. I couldn't find in the Map setup where to change the orientation of the map display. I would like it to be track up vs North up.


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 8:46am
Joe Jet,

Good to hear.   We're getting a lot of private feedback along the same lines.  (We do however have a few challenged installs going on with various problems that we're working through).

As for your issues:

1.  If I recall, you don't have any baro source connected to the 540, right?   That would include units like the Aspen PFD, Garmin G500, and stand alone air data computers.   If that's a correct memory, then no VSR data populated is expected for your installation for this initial release.  We've added the ability to populate items looking for baro input even when no baro input exists by using GPS altitude data in an upcoming software release (Release 10.1).  But for now, no dice without baro input.  (See page 4-24 of the pilot guide).

2.  Sounds like a little mixing and matching going on here.   You have two controls for map orientation.  The first is via the User Options page (see page 4-36 of the pilot guide) where you get to choose between Heading Up and Track Up.   Once that is set, then use the push action of the bottom right knob when on the Map page (see page 3-2 of the pilot guide) where you get to cycle between Heading or  Track Up 360 (the heading vs track was set in the first step), Heading or Track Up Arc view, and North Up.   That should do the trick.     I couldn't tell from the write up if you want Heading Up vs North Up or Track Up vs North Up.


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: TurboPA30
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 10:43am
Steve,
can you disclose if 10.1 will improve the support for Avidyne remote boxes, notably TWX670 and MLX770?


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 11:31am
I'm afraid it will not.  There will be support in Rel 10.1 for remote boxes, just not the two you're asking about.   (And for clarification, I presume the TWX support you're asking about is enhanced colored strike mode like the avatar you're using?   Basic TWX support exists already in the shipping 540s).

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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: Joe Jet
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 11:32am
Re map view options.

I was looking in the map setup not user options area. Fortunately my wife did not put ios 8.0.x on her ipad mini so I was able to find it on the simulator. Since I have no AHRS or flux input to my 540 I would imagine I do not have the option for heading up just like no data for VSR. We are flying to Phoenix again Monday so ill try it all out in the actual aircraft then. Thanks for the manual references, but trying to stay out of the books; get enough of that in my professional flying. The ease of use and intuitiveness allowing the performance of so many complex navigation and flight management tasks makes the IFD540 a really enjoyable experience and is a testament to the well thought out design and effort that has gone into its production. I feel like a kid with a new toy.


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 11:45am
No problem.  

And as a sidenote, the iOS 8 version of the 540 app was finally approved by Apple a few days ago and is available for download.


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: TurboPA30
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 11:57am
OK, so it will be some time before I retire my EX600.... was playing with the thought of replacing it with a second IFD540. Especially the MLX would greatly benefit from the QUERTY entry....
Guess asking the question on Radar (ART2000/2100) support is even further off then.


Posted By: helojunkie
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 9:10pm
Very exciting times indeed....

Picked up my Seneca today from Howard Aviation at KPOC. Dual IFD540s, APX340 and TAS605A installed. Could not be more thrilled. I have been an Avidyne user for many, many years (Cirrus x 3 and Piper Meridian). I am very excited about the 540s.

So I played with my simulator for a lot of hours trying to figure out my data block setup that worked best for me, playing around with settings, etc. I thought I had it all wired, but then I didn't...

I had the same two issues as Joe Jet (Trackup vs North Up, and VSR). I figured out the Trackup issue in flight, and the VSR issue once I hit the manual and started looking. My bird has no glass, so no baro out to the 540s yet. It is due to go back in for another round of updates including ADC200 air/data computer. That will fix my VSR issue.

I do have a couple of questions that I thought I would throw out there, and please don't flame me. I am a Garmin user by necessity having the GTN750s in my CJ and Helicopter, so everything I know comes form the 750 world right now.

I entered a flight plan into my 540 to fly from KPOC to KCRQ [KPOC - PRADO - TANNR - KCRQ], then I plugged in the ILS 24 approach to KCRQ with the HOMLY transition. I don't do VTF since it wipes out the waypoints prior to the FAF to which we often get routed to at the last minute (ESCON, WUNUB).

In the GTN750 once I did this, I could delete the unneeded waypoints that were part of the approach selected but in the 540 I noticed I can not. I freely admit that this may be user error having flown only one hour behind the actual boxes in VFR. 

The problem that I see with this is that the 540 assumes that I am going to fly the flight plan entered including the approach with all waypoints. I also notice I get the "Gap In Route" notification enroute as well as in the flight plan. Highlighting this gap and removing it now shows a flight plan that does not reflect what I really want to do - ie has all of those pesky waypoints inside the approach that I don't really need. This throws off the flight plan since it is basing its times, etc on the flyby of the waypoints.

A perfect example of this is my flight from KDVT to KCRQ. This is the clearance that I received: 

KDVT - BLH - V64 - TRM - ESCON - ILS24.KCRQ

The flight plan as entered in the 540 looks like this:

KDVT - BLH - V64 - TRM [APPROACH: JLI - GENTA - RECCO - ZANIG - ESCON - WUNUB - CIDRU - RW24] [Missed Approach]

What I want to be able to do is reach into the approach and delete the following waypoints:

JLI - GENTA - RECCO - ZANIG

So....I guess my question is this...how do you delete waypoints that are inside an approach? Am I missing something or does the capability simply not exist. Is this something that can be added as a request or am I just the only one in the world that may want to do it this way as opposed to simply doing a Direct to ESCON once I hit TRM?







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Richard J. Sears
ATP ASMEL/Rotor
G-V, CE525S, CE500


Posted By: teeth6
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 10:05pm
Richard,

I have also been playing with the sim but my plane is still in the shop so I have not used it real world yet.  Like you, I always like to enter the full approach so all waypoints are present.  I have been using 430s.  If it turns out ATC does give me VTF, I simply activate that leg of the approach (you can do this on the 540 also by clicking on the FAF in the plan and selecting activate leg with a button on the bottom left.  If instead they give you direct to one of the IAFs, then just go direct to that fix.  This is the same thing, I do on my 430s now.  I hope this helps.


Posted By: teeth6
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 10:59pm
I also have a question from using the sim. If you want to get info about an airport not on your plan from the info tab, how can I search for it. When I am on the info tab and click the search button, it only gives me an option to search for airports by their city. If I only know the identifier but not the city name, is their a way to search for it?


Posted By: helojunkie
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 9:26am
Originally posted by teeth6 teeth6 wrote:

Richard,

I have also been playing with the sim but my plane is still in the shop so I have not used it real world yet.  Like you, I always like to enter the full approach so all waypoints are present.  I have been using 430s.  If it turns out ATC does give me VTF, I simply activate that leg of the approach (you can do this on the 540 also by clicking on the FAF in the plan and selecting activate leg with a button on the bottom left.  If instead they give you direct to one of the IAFs, then just go direct to that fix.  This is the same thing, I do on my 430s now.  I hope this helps.

Teeth6 - 

Thanks, I do the same thing now but my issue was one of flight plan continuity not really functionality. I realize that we can go "direct" to say ESCON in this case, or activate a specific leg, but all of the waypoints that I will not ever use are still part of the flight plan and requires manual intervention from me to get it to go to the right place. 

I guess as I said in my earlier post I was hoping I was missing something whereby I could just delete any waypoints that I did not want/need in my flight plan regardless if there were considered part of an approach/transition.  

Did another 5 hours behind the 540s it yesterday flying to Phoenix and back, I am getting the hang of it for sure, they are great boxes.


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Richard J. Sears
ATP ASMEL/Rotor
G-V, CE525S, CE500


Posted By: helojunkie
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 9:30am
Originally posted by teeth6 teeth6 wrote:

I also have a question from using the sim. If you want to get info about an airport not on your plan from the info tab, how can I search for it. When I am on the info tab and click the search button, it only gives me an option to search for airports by their city. If I only know the identifier but not the city name, is their a way to search for it?

Hi Teeth6 - 

In the simulator and on the actual box, I select FMS => INFO, then touch the Identifier box at the very top and enter in any airport I want and the information comes right up. Are you trying to search by something other than the ICAO airport ID?


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Richard J. Sears
ATP ASMEL/Rotor
G-V, CE525S, CE500


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 10:12am
The IFD540 FMS does not provide the ability to delete a waypoint from your flight plan if it's part of a published procedure.


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: helojunkie
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 11:33am
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

The IFD540 FMS does not provide the ability to delete a waypoint from your flight plan if it's part of a published procedure.

Thanks Steve, good to know that I was not missing something.


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Richard J. Sears
ATP ASMEL/Rotor
G-V, CE525S, CE500


Posted By: teeth6
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 12:24pm
Steve, thanks much. That's very easy. I didn't realize that was a selectable field. I was using the "search" button when on the info page which only allows a search for cities. Now i can for cities or ICAO identifiers.


Posted By: roltman
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2014 at 2:35pm
Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Note that the "free" add-on Aeroplan year(s) are optional. Aeroplan stirred some initial controversy with its required waiver. I don't know if that has been amended, or if there is a pricier Aeroplan Plus, without the waiver. Buyer be aware.

* Orest

Just wanted to alert people to what I've managed to turn up on the Aeroplan waiver.

I contacted an aviation liability lawyer and he said I should insure myself for it.

I have some very good people who work with me to find insurance for our company's flight tests, and they have yet to find a company that will cover that waiver as written.  As such the waiver as written would be a personal burden.

If anyone knows a cost effective way to accept the Aeroplan please pass it along, otherwise I'll be turning it down.

Does Avidyne know of an insurance company that will insure their waiver?




Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2014 at 3:04pm
The plan is optional.   It extends your warranty if you elect to take advantage of it.   Avidyne is not in the insurance broker business.


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: teeth6
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2014 at 3:05pm
I had contacted Avidyne over a year ago when this topic first came up. I was told this waiver applied only to their glass panels. Is this NOT the case???


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2014 at 3:10pm
That was true then.    It's a different case now.

Pre-buy folks get two years of standard warranty and a signed AeroPlan extends that to three years.

New purchase folks get one year of standard warranty and a signed AeroPlan extends that to three years.


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: teeth6
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2014 at 3:17pm
It is not immediately obvious to me why signing a waiver in case of an accident extends coverage longer for a standard customer than a prebuy customer. What am I missing?


Posted By: roltman
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2014 at 3:28pm

Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

The plan is optional.   It extends your warranty if you elect to take advantage of it.   Avidyne is not in the insurance broker business.

I think everyone knows it's optional. 

Sorry Steve, I wasn't asking for insurance, I was asking the knowledge base at Avidyne, the source of the waiver, for possibly a statement, "We know of company XYZ and they will cover our waiver and others have been successful in using them, but YMMV". Right now I'm wondering if such a company exists, so I can weigh it's cost/benefit with the extra warranty coverage.  I know this is an unpopular subject, but I'm trying to find a way to take advantage of it if possible and share what I learn with others.

I've tried to do my due diligence and contact a lawyer specializing in aviation liability law, and a very knowledgeable insurance broker without successful path forward.  As such I turned to the forums.  Maybe I could have rewritten the previous post a little better, and I apologize if it was taken as a jab.

In summary, I would like to extend my warranty, but at what cost? 

I wasn't overly concerned till I read about the Cirrius wreck with Sandel EHSI.  There's no way I could control the outcome of such a mess (esp if dead), nor could I assume that kind of risk to my estate.

I can't control the other idiots in the world, trust me I try. I can't protect other companies from the other idiots either. Just like "Avidyne is not in the insurance broker business.", neither am I and thus far I can't find insurance to cover the waiver, but I'll keep looking and will post anything I find.




Posted By: MysticCobra
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2014 at 9:11pm
Originally posted by teeth6 teeth6 wrote:

It is not immediately obvious to me why signing a waiver in case of an accident extends coverage longer for a standard customer than a prebuy customer. What am I missing?

You're looking at it the wrong way.  Pre-buy customers get 2 years of standard warranty; standard customers get a single year.

Since the standard warranty does not have the controversial strings attached that the Aeroplan does, that arrangement is a noteworthy benefit to pre-buy customers.

If either a pre-buy or a standard customer sign the Aeroplan agreement, then warranty coverage is extended to a total of 3 years.  The total coverage is not longer for either type of customer.


Posted By: ddgates
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2014 at 9:22pm
Our preoccupation with the "lawyer" piece <on either side of the issue> is a disease.

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David Gates


Posted By: teeth6
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2014 at 9:30pm
Steve, I do see your logic but I had heard that the prebuy customers would have an extended warranty to help compensate for the length of time it took to get certified. At one point there was to be a letter from the CEO but that didn't happen. Anyway, it does appear the standard customers receive a better warranty add on by signing the waiver which eliminates any prebuy warranty advantage. It aeems signing the waiver should give both groups the same.....either 1 year or 2 years. I do realize it is not your call, however.


Posted By: teeth6
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2014 at 6:46pm
A question that I haven't been able to find the answer to in the manual.   Is there also a button or knob twist that will cause the FPL/MAP page to open/close on the FPL tab of the FMS switch, or is this feature only touch screen?   Likewise to pop the data in or out on the Map page of the Map switch.


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2014 at 6:50pm
You can do via the bezel too.  If you press and hold the left or right side of the FMS or MAP page buttons along the bottom, it acks as another tab and either opens or closes the "window shade".  Give it a try and let me know if you aren't successful.  

Look at the bottom bullet on page 1-14 of the Pilot Guide.


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: Joe Jet
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2014 at 7:33pm
That sounds cool. I'm going to try that on my flight home from Vegas tomorrow. I forgot those buttons on the bottom are "rocker" like and have a dual function. I do remember that one of the advantages of the Avidyne over the G units is that you can perform all actions either with buttons or the touchscreen. I've been trying to use the buttons more to minimize fingerprints on the screen. I have noticed if you touch it lightly, as in the case when you just make a selection, it does not leave a fingerprint. If you apply greater pressure, which seems to be required when seeking more information on a particular airspace or airport on the map, it leaves a fingerprint. Tomorrow I will try making a "info" selection by just touching longer rather than with greater pressure.


Posted By: teeth6
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2014 at 8:11pm
Just tried it on the sim and sure enough, it works.  I totally missed that explanation in the pilot guide.  I have a feeling the 540s will something we will all be learning new features on for a very long time. :)


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2014 at 10:17pm
I think you're right, especially with the FMS.

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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: Joe Jet
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2014 at 12:24am
Did the rocker buttons today...very nice. Wasn't able to get the data panel to open or close. Also tried longer light touch to bring up data on various elements on the map and it seemed to work.

Also loaded an RNAV approach LPV, but didnt get any glidepath guidance. I have the 106A indicator. Might have to peek in the manual on that one.


Posted By: roltman
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2014 at 12:11pm

Just got the hard copy of my manual delivered.

Just put RFQ for a 2nd IFD540 and 340 XPNDR. I'm sufficiently happy to replace my 2nd 430W after having the first 540 for only a month.

Going back to the avionics shop on Thursday for some small tweaks not all 540 related.

- My right strobe is interfering with auto ID of nav signal (nav 1 antenna is in right wing).  A faint tapping sound can be heard when that strobe fires when listening to the NAV1 audio.

- Rewiring remote XPNDR IDENT switch to become Pin 74 on P1001.  Wasn't exactly obvious what that was during the installation, but now I want it in place of a remote ident switch.

- No audio alerts from IFD540 - No one is sure why just yet as it was wired up per the IM to the PMA450.  Anyone know a quick way in the hanger to trigger an alert on the 540? I honestly haven't looked to see if this can easily be done.

- Investigate why no GAMA A429 data is making to my Garmin 330 XPNDR. Its making it to the GPSS.

- Wiring up SYNCHRO inputs from HSI to P1, 10, 23, 24, and 13+25.  Not sure it'll work as a magnetic heading source yet, but it'll at least be wired for future use.

- Left/Right audio channels are backwards, needs to be correct for the PMA450.  Probably mis-wired when GMA340 was installed 10-15yrs ago.




Posted By: ddgates
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2014 at 12:27pm
What does the remote ident rewire change do for you?

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David Gates


Posted By: roltman
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2014 at 12:54pm

Pin 74 on P1001. It's a Com Recall feature, where you can step through com channels on the IFD540. 

It gives you the features spelled out on page 4-5 of the pilot's manual (p115/226).

I figured that'd get used 100x more often than hitting the IDENT button.  I'll then have a Com Swap and a Com Recall.

Steve pointed me to correct pin.



Posted By: ddgates
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2014 at 1:00pm
Thanks.

Mine is already wired.

As a suggestion, it would be better if the install manual called out all wiring options - a number of us are going to get our airplanes back from install and then find out, "could have had ...".  I wonder how many are going to have to rewire or at least be tempted to do so when the software revision comes out facilitating Standby monitor capability?

Learning curve, I guess price of being an early adopter.


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David Gates


Posted By: roltman
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2014 at 1:23pm

I gave Steve some suggestions last week for few little things.

He said they'd update the IM with Release 10.0.2.0



Posted By: Royski
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2014 at 1:52pm
roltman, would you mind sharing your suggestions here as well for the benefit of those who might have an installation begin before the new installation manual is released?  Thank you


Posted By: roltman
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2014 at 2:39pm

Lets stick with just this one for now.

The description on page 4-5 of the PM wasn't clear to me what in the IM would enabled it.  It turns out that is Pin 74 on P1001. I then suggested in a follow up email that maybe add it to section 6.1.9.4  "Discrete Inputs", in the IM with a small blurb about what it does. 

Hopefully this is helpful to others.

Ryan



Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2014 at 5:28pm
Yes, we have the opportunity to update the IM with Release 10.0.2.0.  Note that IMs are tough to update since they are considered "Approved Data" and require FAA signoff.   So, it's a lot tougher to update IMs than say Pilot Guides or other non-approved data.

One of the tweaks we'll make to the IM is to do a better job highlighting some of the optional wiring choices so they standout better.


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: ddgates
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2014 at 6:07pm
Jake,

That is a good plan, as just having finished install of the IFDs there is a balance between driving the installer nuts and making sure that you get all of the functionality which is available.

I would consider a checklist to the installer - Aspen does this with their PFDs on install.

Happily, I think I got all that is there except maybe the switch to bring up a saved frequency.




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David Gates


Posted By: jhbehrens
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2014 at 5:43pm
I installed my IFD today and I have two question I cannot find the answer to in the manual.

Where can I trigger a strike test on the WX-500 connected to my IFD so I can check its connection?

How do class A boundaries display on the map? In Europe class A can start at various altitudes, as low as 1500 ft.

Grateful for a response.


Posted By: jhbehrens
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2014 at 8:56am
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

Yes, we have the opportunity to update the IM with Release 10.0.2.0.  Note that IMs are tough to update since they are considered "Approved Data" and require FAA signoff.   So, it's a lot tougher to update IMs than say Pilot Guides or other non-approved data.

One of the tweaks we'll make to the IM is to do a better job highlighting some of the optional wiring choices so they standout better.

Would be good if you posted the approved AFM supplement for the 540 on your website. The one on de CD that came with the device is labeled 'NOT FAA approved' and the paper copy was printed on 30% of the paper size.

Jorgen


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2014 at 9:00am
Will do early next week.  I didn't realize it was not there.  Thanks for the heads up.


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2014 at 9:32am
There is no WX-500 strike test capability in the IFD540 at this time - installers do have a crude way of testing it now but not via an IFD540 selection.  It is a candidate for a future software release.

I'll have to look at the Class A depictions for Euro airspace in the lab early next week - I don't recall exactly what the answer is right now.


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: Joe Jet
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2014 at 10:52pm
Is there some additional selection I have to make to get a GS/VNAV vertical path indication on my 106A indicator when conducting an RNAV GPS LPV approach? I have searched the manual, but so far have only found a reference to check Advisory glideslope ON in AUX, user options; not even sure if that affects the indicator. I hope something isn't wired incorrectly. I do get GS indications when doing an ILS approach.


Posted By: jhbehrens
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2014 at 4:27am
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

There is no WX-500 strike test capability in the IFD540 at this time - installers do have a crude way of testing it now but not via an IFD540 selection.  It is a candidate for a future software release.

You mean using an electrical drill 3 ft from the antenna?

Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

I'll have to look at the Class A depictions for Euro airspace in the lab early next week - I don't recall exactly what the answer is right now.

Thanks. The best place to judge this is by looking at London airspace which has an 'inverted wedding cake' pattern of class A around Heathrow reaching out into the entire Southeast of the UK. It's much like class B around major airports in the US.


Posted By: SB Jim
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2014 at 10:00am
Originally posted by Joe Jet Joe Jet wrote:

Is there some additional selection i have to make to get a GS/VNAV vertical path indication on my 106A indicator when conducting an RNAV GPS LPV approach? I have even begun searching the manual, but so far have only found a reference to check Advisory glideslope ON in AUX, user options. And, not even sure if that affects the indicator. I hope something isnt wired incorrectly. I do get GS indications when doing an ILS approach.

Joe, if memory serves some pilots do not like or want the advisory glidepath and they asked Avidyne to make it a User On/Off item. I believe Avidyne complied so you will need to turn Advisory Glidepath On somewhere.

Advisory glidepaths at some airports have been known to be a problem if one was to follow them strictly to the airport. They could place one below an MDA at given fix or leave one with unsafe terrain separation.

Always make sure you adhere to the approach plate MDA's on such an approach and that you don't leave the MDA until you've got the airport in sight.

Regards, Jim


Posted By: jhbehrens
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2014 at 3:36am
AviJake 

Have now made my first IFR flight with the 540. Loved it although I am still getting used to the new UI. Its a huge step up from my old 530W.

I noticed what seemed like a bug. When on the flight plan tab of the FMS section during flight I tried to enter a waypoint after the last waypoint in the flight plan. Of the box for the new waypoint, only the top 20% or so showed at the bottom of the list so I could not see the waypoint name that I was editing. If I tried to scroll it up with my finger the keyboard emerged. I could type in the name of the waypoint and it showed correctly after that but it was uncomfortable editing it in the blind.

I would also like to be able to enter departures for all airports in the flight plan, not just the airport of origin. It feels like departures are second citizens in the UI compared to arrivals.

Lastly I noticed that when you enter a long airways route (I tried one for a 4 hour flight consisting of 6 different airways) the map preview keeps jumping between your current location and the section you are editing which makes the map very jumpy and rendering is constantly trying to catch up with you edits. Would be much better to just let it move with your edits. Have a look at the attached YouTube video for what I mean.




Posted By: Joe Jet
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2014 at 9:14am
Originally posted by SB Jim SB Jim wrote:

Originally posted by Joe Jet Joe Jet wrote:

Is there some additional selection i have to make to get a GS/VNAV vertical path indication on my 106A indicator when conducting an RNAV GPS LPV approach? I have searched the manual, but so far have only found a reference to check Advisory glideslope ON in AUX, user options; not even sure if that affects the indicator. I hope something isn't wired incorrectly. I do get GS indications when doing an ILS approach.

Joe, if memory serves some pilots do not like or want the advisory glidepath and they asked Avidyne to make it a User On/Off item. I believe Avidyne complied so you will need to turn Advisory Glidepath On somewhere.

Advisory glidepaths at some airports have been known to be a problem if one was to follow them strictly to the airport. They could place one below an MDA at given fix or leave one with unsafe terrain separation.

Always make sure you adhere to the approach plate MDA's on such an approach and that you don't leave the MDA until you've got the airport in sight.

Regards, Jim

Havent had a chance to check my actual unit and see if advisory glideslope is on or not. I have checked both the domestic and jnternational ipad sims and it seems the default setting is GS on. In the Boeing FMS the glidepath goes from the last waypoint, ususally the runway waypoint, at the published angle back and guarantees crossing all MDA constraints at or above published segment minimums. I would think that this is both a TERPS and certification requirement. Ill have to wait to check my actual installed 540.


Posted By: SB Jim
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2014 at 9:39am
Joe,

These are ADVISORY glidepaths. They aren't an official part of the procedure.

Much has been written about these and the places where they can lead a pilot astray.

YMMV.


Posted By: brou0040
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2014 at 1:48pm
Originally posted by jhbehrens jhbehrens wrote:


Lastly I noticed that when you enter a long airways route (I tried one for a 4 hour flight consisting of 6 different airways) the map preview keeps jumping between your current location and the section you are editing which makes the map very jumpy and rendering is constantly trying to catch up with you edits. Would be much better to just let it move with your edits. Have a look at the attached YouTube video for what I mean.
I would think that the system doesn't know when you are done entering more waypoints so that is why it jumps back to the active leg.  Maybe it should stay where you are editing for a fixed time period like 5 seconds then time-out back to the active leg.


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2014 at 8:06pm
Noted, agreed, and working on it.

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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: Joe Jet
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2014 at 2:52am
Originally posted by SB Jim SB Jim wrote:

Joe,

These are ADVISORY glidepaths. They aren't an official part of the procedure.

Much has been written about these and the places where they can lead a pilot astray.

YMMV.


Jim:

Did a little more homework. The vertical guidance is only "advisory" on the LNAV + V LNAV approach. When conducting a LNAV/VNAV or LPV approach the glidepath is part of the procedure and not advisory and should be displayed without selecting advisory glidepath on. Also found the following in the manual:

When GPS has been selected as the nav source, and one of the
RNAV/GPS approach types with vertical guidance (LPV, L/VNAV,
LNAV+V) is selected in the FMS, the IFD will transmit horizontal
and vertical deviation for use by any integrated external display
device.

... Vertical guidance is provided to minimums as low
as 200’ AGL above the touchdown zone. Lateral
tolerance starts out at 0.3 NM full-scale (slightly tighter
than a localizer at the FAF), transitioning to 350 feet
either side at the runway threshold (slightly looser than a
localizer). The steering remains linear all the way so you
don’t get the difficult to follow swings of a VHF localizer
close to the runway. The vertical guidance is precise and
has a DA/DH (shown as “DA(H)” on approach charts)
rather than a MDA. The Nav Mode datablock will display
“LPV” for the approach type.


Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2014 at 8:45am
The +V advisory glidepath is a very important improvement that will help guide you to a stable approach. The Boeing Banana, which hopefully we will see soon, will contribute as well where other guidance is not available. Whether a +V NPA, LNAV/VNAV or ILS, one always has to be mindful of stepdowns outside the FAF, and terrain below the MDA or DH, but that is not a reason to disable vertical guidance as far as I can see. That said, it is nice to see the option for those that want that, something that G does not provide.


Quote transitioning to 350 feet either side at the runway threshold (slightly looser than a localizer).

Joe - IIRC, a LOC is always calibrated to be 700ft total (350ft each way) deviation at the threshold, no?

* Orest



Posted By: SB Jim
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2014 at 9:45am
I've had the Advisory glidepath for years in my CNX 80. One just must be aware of the limitations inherent in the advisory system.

I've been flying with a full WAAS GPS for 10+ years and understand it well.


Posted By: SB Jim
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2014 at 9:46am
Joe,

If you don't get a GPS generated glidepath on an LPV approach your installer made a mistake or you've got faulty hardware.

Jim


Posted By: Joe Jet
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2014 at 7:35am
Orest

That sounds about right on the LOC. if i remember correctly It is 3-6 deg wide; varied depending on the length of the runway to get the width you mentioned. Thats is the reason for the increased sensitivity of a localizer going to a longer runway. The consistency and decreased sensitivity of the LP and LPV WAAS GPS approaches as mentioned in the manual should make them nicer to fly.

Jim

Back to my glidepath indication issue. I would think that if my 540 is driving the GS indication during an ILS approach, then everything is wired correctly. The real question at this point is does the advisory glide path option have to be selected on for an indication for not just a LNAV + V advisory, but also the LNAV/VNAV, and LPV.

Steve can you answer that las question?


Posted By: Gring
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2014 at 8:02am
It is my understanding that there has been a change in the Jepp database where under some circumstances (I can't remember all of the details), the +V is not generated in the current version of the IFD540 software.  My airport is one that has been affected and in previous database versions I was able to fly an LNAV+V approach, but now it will not show vertical guidance.  I believe there is a fix for a future software release.

Not showing vertical guidance on a LPV approach is a different issue and at least in the Garmin world, may be a result of wiring (assuming you get vertical guidance on an ILS).  I don't know about the IFD540.



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