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paulr
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Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 1:27pm |
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If you're in Facebook, there's a group called "Avidyne Pilots Club" that's run by Avi's marketing folks. At 1807 GMT they posted this: "We'll be giving an update on 10.2.3.1 software as well as a MANDATORY update this afternoon. Stay tuned!" I invite you to share your speculation below for the 10.2.3.1 update update. (I'm about 90% that the "MANDATORY update" will be for GPS week rollover so not getting too excited about it.)
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LANCE
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The .dsf file to take care of the GPS rollover is available as of today. It takes your 10.2.X.0 to 10.2.X.0A.
I did mine with no issues whatsoever. They have an update to take people who haven't done the 10.2update. This update will take them to 10.2.2.0A. The "A" suffix means that you have done the GPS rollover work around. They plan on 10.2.3.1 being available by the end of March. Even if it's not this work around will take care of any GPS rollover concerns. Whenever 10.2.3.1 is available here's what they are saying it includes:
The new 10.2.3.1 training application includes all the 10.2.3.1 features, new tutorials on using the system, much more flexibility in "flying" the simulated IFD, easier database loading, and a host of other improvements. |
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HenryM
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When you mention the new def, is it a full OS installation (that takes quite q while to load), or is it just one new file, so the installation is short and painless?
I've done a couple of updates before, and it takes quite a long time. I think part (a big portion) of the time is just installing the terrain database after all data is erased and reloaded. It would be nice if that database didn't need to be added each time.
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Stevei
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Lance,
"The .dsf file to take care of the GPS rollover is available as of today. It takes your 10.2.X.0 to 10.2.X.0A. I did mine with no issues whatsoever." How did you get the .dsf file and does it need to be signed off?
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HenryM
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There's another thread with the official answer, but just go to
to request the update. You will then get an e-mail with a video of the installation process and links to the def file and the written instructions.
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AviSteve
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The DSF that just fixes the GPS rollover is pretty quick.
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Stevei
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I just watched the video and it says it takes 20 minutes or so to load and you should be on ground power to be sure your battery doesn't fail.
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AviSteve
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I guess it's a matter of perspective :)
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GBSoren71965
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Steve,
The way I understand the updates is you can either install just the roll over GPS bug update OR wait until released and install 10.2.3.1, either will fix the GPS roll over. Am I correct? You wouldn't have to to both.
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HenryM
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Why is it that a software update like this can be signed off of by the owner/operator, but an update from 10.2.2.0 to 10.2.3.1 requires an A&P sing-off? The update process is exactly the same, other than the elapsed time for the software to load.
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HenryM
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I know the version upgrade requires and A&P, but I thought the GPS rollover patch can be signed off by the owner. I was wondering why the difference?
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avimyers
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Both require sign off.
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HenryM
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OK. I had misunderstood. I read on another thread the owner could install the GPS Week Rollover Patch and sign it off. I didn't realize it required an A&P sign-off.
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See CFR Part 43, Section 43.3 (which also references Part 43 Appendix A): https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?node=pt14.1.43 which indicates that unless specifically authorized in Section 43.3, "no person may maintain, rebuild, alter, or perform preventive maintenance on an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part to which this part applies."
Subsection 43.3(g) provides that "the holder of a pilot certificate issued under part 61 may perform preventive maintenance on any aircraft owned or operated by that pilot which is not used under part 121, 129, or 135." Preventive maintenance items spelled out in Appendix A include: "(31) Removing and replacing self-contained, front instrument panel-mounted navigation and communication devices that employ tray-mounted connectors that connect the unit when the unit is installed into the instrument panel, (excluding automatic flight control systems, transponders, and microwave frequency distance measuring equipment (DME)). The approved unit must be designed to be readily and repeatedly removed and replaced, and pertinent instructions must be provided. Prior to the unit's intended use, and [sic] operational check must be performed in accordance with the applicable sections of part 91 of this chapter." Subsection 43.3(k) provides "Updates of databases in installed avionics meeting the conditions of this paragraph are not considered maintenance and may be performed by pilots provided:
(1) The database upload is: (i) Initiated from the flight deck; (ii) Performed without disassembling the avionics unit; and (iii) Performed without the use of tools and/or special equipment. (2) The pilot must comply with the certificate holder's procedures or the manufacturer's instructions." There are no other avionics-specific exceptions spelled out in Part 43 Section 43.3 or Appendix A. Edited by AZ Flyer - 13 Feb 2019 at 1:37pm |
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HenryM
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Updating the software of the IFD meets the requirements listed:
(i) the update Initiated from the flight deck - just plug in the USB drive, as done for a database update (ii) it is performed without disassembling the avionics unit; - see (i) and (iii) it is performed without the use of tools and/or special equipment. - nothing special about the firmware update compared to a database update. It just takes a bit longer. Regarding: (2) The pilot must comply with the certificate holder's procedures or the manufacturer's instructions." I guess it is up to Avidyne to require or not require sign-off in their instructions? It is not any more difficult to install a firmware update than a database update. |
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paulr
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The software by its nature is not a database, either within the layman's understanding or the FAA's rules. I wish we could install and do our own signoffs under the owner-maintenance rule but I don't think this qualifies (and, more importantly, neither do Avi or the FAA, since my opinion is worth what you paid for it).
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HenryM
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OK. Then I guess this means a trip to an avionics shop or to a willing A&P even for the simple GPS Week Rollover Patch.
Edited by HenryM - 13 Feb 2019 at 4:59pm |
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jimmyz80
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I'm confused about this too, since Avidyne seems to only release the full update files to A&Ps, but this rollover patch got emailed right to me after filling out a web form. I was also under the impression that the ONLY think owners could do with avionics was update databases.
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paulr
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I'd love to be wrong! Maybe Steve can weigh in with Avi's official guidance. Sadly my plane's in for annual so I'm not in any particular hurry to patch it, since I can't fly it while it's partially disassembled. The struggle is real.
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AviSteve
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A pilot without a maintenance rating cannot legally perform this update except under the supervision of someone who holds that rating and who is prepared to sign off the airplane. If you can work out an arrangement with someone with an appropriate rating such that you can do the update and they're willing to sign off, then that's legal. We don't make the rules... If you have an experimental airplane, you can generally do the update and sign off on your own. Again, subject to the applicable rules for experimental aircraft. Edited by AviSteve - 14 Feb 2019 at 3:08pm |
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acashetta
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Called Avidyne Tech Support today and asked if the new update will allow us to lower the map scale below 2 miles. "No idea," said the tech support guy. Please post an answer. Hoping this is part of the software upgrade. Thanks, Andy
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AviSteve
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No, 2nm is still the minimum.
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rpostmo
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Do the dealers have this upgrade yet?
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LANCE
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No, the latest they have is 10.2.2
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donemory
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I just received a new IFD540 last week, (3/4/19), to get installed week after next, will it have the updated software, 10.2.3.1?
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AviSteve
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Edited by AviSteve - 13 Mar 2019 at 4:21pm |
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SB Jim
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Steve,
My avionics shop is a long way from home base. Going there for software updates means burning most of a day. My long time IA is willing to supervise my installation of updates to the IFD 540 and sign off my logs upon completion. I’m computer literate and have updated my brand G box but never the Avidyne which is still flawlessly running the software it had when it was installed in 2015. I want to get it up to date. Whom should I call at Avidyne to get access to the updates and get this started? I’ve already discussed this with my IA and he’s good to go with this. I just need to get pointed in the right direction. Regards, Jim
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AviSteve
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Call tech support, ask for Chris Evans, and explain the situation.
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SB Jim
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Thank you.
Will do. Regards, Jim
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allenc3
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I have the same Issue. My AI here on my field signed off on the GPS rollover patch, which he signed and I faxed back to Avidyne. Can he sign off on the 10.2.3.1 Software when available? This would save me having to not only make a 2-3 hour round trip, but also save me having to take a day off during the week, as most avionics shops are not open on weekends
Thanks Claude Allen, Green Cove Springs, Fl. |
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HenryM
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I have installed the software patches and my A&P/IA signs off on them. I got them from Chris. Just be aware that they take a long time to load. I attach ground power to my plane in order to not wear down the battery. In 12/14V planes, you can use a jumper and connect up to a running car. Aircraft Sprice sells portable power supplies too, like this one for a 24V plane:
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acashetta
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well, 2nm is not a small enough scale. compared to the garmin 650, the ifd440 is too cluttered. it would be a good thing to have a smaller (1/4nm) scale to focus in on certain airport/ground features. please see what you can do to make this happen. thanks, andy
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allenc3
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I looked at that ground power unit, the 12 volt one being considerably cheaper if you call almost $300 cheap. I found you can purchase this thing cheaper on Aircraft Spruce's companion page called pilot Shop, and the shipping is free too,
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Claude
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Flybuddy
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I've got the same issue as I'll be picking up my plane after a 440 install next week and the shop is 200 miles from home. I've got a few APs and IAs where I live although they tend to use me as their techie. Will Chris be at SunNFun?
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I use a 12V Schauer portable power unit I bought from Aircraft Spruce a few years ago connected in parallel with a 12V used aircraft battery for external power for my 12V Piper Archer. With this airplane, this keeps me from having to turn the master (aircraft battery) on to power the avionics and helps protect against power outages and surges while the aircraft is externally powered.
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The cheapest price I find for the Cessna version of the 12V ground power supply is $249.50 at Chief Aircraft: http://www.chiefaircraft.com/sch-jac2512c.html
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Flybuddy
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Isn't the avionics master run through the normal master switch? I've got an Archer with external power also and was considering just running the jumper to a 2nd battery. I still thought I'd have to turn the main master on (battery side only on the split switch).
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dmtidler
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On my 1978 vintage Archer, when external power is applied, a relay closes that powers the airplane’s electrical system with both sides of the master switch off. At this point, all I need to do is turn on the avionics master switch on to power the avionics.
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Flybuddy
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Thx, mine is an 83 but I'll try it.
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In my Bonanza S35, I bypass the battery solenoid and put the positive lead of a 13.6V power supply (30A), positive lead on the main buss terminal coming out of the solenoid. I put the negative to ground. This bypasses the master relay switch, and keeps buss voltage at 13.6V +/- 0.4V.
There is a big draw when the 540s power up, and otherwise there could be a 1 V drop or maybe more if just drawing off of battery. I also found by doing this a bunch of times, the connection through which the incoming power comes to the main buss (at the ammeter) was loose. Fixing this gives me rock solid power through any update cycle (as long as I don't let some idiot walk around the airframe and compromise the connections).
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dmtidler
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I believe your ‘83 Archer works the same; according to the Piper Archer maintenance manual, this is the same for all Archer IIs. The Archer IIIs are also this way; however, have 28v electrical systems.
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Chief with tax and shipping is $297 here in Florida as they have to charge sales tax, Pilot Shop has the unit for $283, no tax and free shipping. If I can convince Avidyne to allow me (under supervision of my AI) to install this updates, I will but one of these units.
BTW If you really want to spend some money on one of these Chargers, Sporty's has the same one listed for $389 plus tax and shipping. Claude |
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HenryM
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If you have a 12V plane, you can just jump it with a car or car battery.
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Here's a 12 volt plane being jumped by a motorcycle instead of a battery https://www.msn.com/nb-no/motor/video/motorcycle-jumps-over-airplane/vp-BBR4ReM
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Not looking to jump start it. The Tiger is one of the easiest airplanes to do that on, I want to continuously power the bus while updateing or otherwise practicing on my Ayidyne IDF 440. I tried just adding a 25 AMP charger to the battery, but using a ground power plug I can bypass the battery altogether by just energizing the Bus.
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HenryM
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Not jump start, but you can use the car as the power source. You could hook the car to the ground power plug. Start the car, and you won’t wear down the battery as you wait for an hour for the firmware update to take place.
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Well, a quick glance at 10.2.3.1, in the new trainer app. They have done
exactly as I had suggested for the next leg/waypoint enhancement, that is
reversing the order of the barber pole so white comes first and
increasing the size of the waypont marks. Well, I'm delighted, and
honored! The BB is much more visible now, great! Handy thing. And, flightplan same waypoints no longer "merge" and disappear, between approaches and such. THey can be split apart if needed, no need to put in "fake" waypoints to separate them. Excellent. Even just those three things is a lot! Edited by oskrypuch - 21 Mar 2019 at 4:07pm |
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Did you already get the update? Didn't know it was out yet
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oskrypuch
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DO NOT have the update yet, in my IFD. BUT, the new V2 trainer app DOES have it. A nice preview of the functions. With the trainer app release, expect that the firmware update is imminent. * Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 21 Mar 2019 at 5:02pm |
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