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    Posted: 01 May 2022 at 3:02pm
Don't know if you saw it, a recording of it is likely available by now.

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Was uploading the summary screens, but looks like the image uploader is broken, I keep getting file not found.

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OK, here are some links ..




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A lot of solid new features, that will delight a number of folks I'm sure.

Only disappointment for me, is that the new VNav plotting capability is ONLY available on the IFD550, NOT the IFD540, nor the IFD440.

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Thanks for posting these. Does anyone have a link for the whole webinar?
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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Only disappointment for me, is that the new VNav plotting capability is ONLY available on the IFD550, NOT the IFD540, nor the IFD440.

Can the VNAV output be displayed on other PFDs (from any IFD) or is the VNAV signal generation/display limited solely to the 550?

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Thanks Steve, 10.3 looks exciting!

There was no mention of any change to the requirement that RS232 inputs and outputs connected to the same port number need to use the same baud rate, as was the case with the current version. I remember when this was introduced, it wasn't published and a few people, including me, ran into trouble. Is this change reversed in 10.3?
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Link to recorded webinar. Enter your info and it takes you to the video.

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I was disappointed when I read this, so I went to watch the webinar (which I hadn't seen yet).

In the webinar, Mike said that you'd get VNAV guidance *on the SVS page* if you have an IFD545/550. He didn't say whether or not you get VNAV guidance *on a CDI or PFD* with it. That's still not clear to me-- do we know whether this will work?
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Looks like a lot of nice work!
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Being able to pipe portable sourced ADS-B data into the IFD is cool.

This requires setting the source to GDL90 format.

Normally you run a Stratus 3 NOT in GDL90 format, to work with ForeFlight. I'm wondering if setting the Stratus 3 to GDL90 format for the IFD, would result in losing sync with ForeFlight.

I have that question into Appareo.

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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

.....I'm wondering if setting the Stratus 3 to GDL90 format for the IFD, would result in losing sync with ForeFlight.


And below is Appareo's answer, so you don't have control of the Stratus from FF any more, probably lose the attitude screen, but FF will work with Stratux for FIS/TIS, so should still be able to display the data.

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Thank you for your email.  Yes, Stratus 3 can be run in Open ADS-B mode or Foreflight mode, but not both at the same time.

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And the answer from ForeFlight, looks like it is a no-go at the moment, if you want both, but there is perhaps some hope ....

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Thanks for your patience. Currently the Stratus 3 must be in "ForeFlight" mode to provide any ADS-B data to ForeFlight. If the Stratus 3 is in the "open" mode and you connect ForeFlight to its Wi-Fi network, you will be promoted in ForeFlight to change the Stratus 3 to "ForeFlight" mode.

ForeFlight can receive "capstone" data from other devices however, provided they meed our Extended GDL90 spec: https://www.foreflight.com/connect/spec/

We're discussing with Avidyne the functionality they're announced for 10.3, specifically the ability for the IFD to receive ADS-B from portable devices providing "capstone" data. We don't have anything specific to announce at this time, but feel free to check back in the future.

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Originally posted by paulr paulr wrote:

I was disappointed when I read this, so I went to watch the webinar (which I hadn't seen yet).

In the webinar, Mike said that you'd get VNAV guidance *on the SVS page* if you have an IFD545/550. He didn't say whether or not you get VNAV guidance *on a CDI or PFD* with it. That's still not clear to me-- do we know whether this will work?
No on the analog CDI.  In order for a PFD to show enroute VNAV guidance, it needs to recognize the associated 429 labels.  The only device we have found so far that supports it is a G5.
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I have dual G5s and dual 540s.  Will VNAV be displayed on the G5s without a 550?
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It wasn't clear to me how much of the TAWS improvements would apply to an IFD540.  The illustrations in the webinar showed a 550, and there was some mention in the Q&A session that the 3-arcsecond upgrade was recommended (required?) to get the most out of those improvements.

So how would the 10.3 TAWS upgrades show up on a non-upgraded IFD540, if at all?  What would the 3-arcsecond upgrade do to improve TAWS?  Is the 3-arcsecond upgrade even an option for the 540, or is all this stuff only applicable to a 550?


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Originally posted by b2002 b2002 wrote:

I have dual G5s and dual 540s.  Will VNAV be displayed on the G5s without a 550?
Yes.
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Originally posted by MysticCobra MysticCobra wrote:

It wasn't clear to me how much of the TAWS improvements would apply to an IFD540.  The illustrations in the webinar showed a 550, and there was some mention in the Q&A session that the 3-arcsecond upgrade was recommended (required?) to get the most out of those improvements.

So how would the 10.3 TAWS upgrades show up on a non-upgraded IFD540, if at all?  What would the 3-arcsecond upgrade do to improve TAWS?  Is the 3-arcsecond upgrade even an option for the 540, or is all this stuff only applicable to a 550?
3AS data is just higher resolution than the current database (which is 9AS).  You'll get more detail on SVS and TAWS will have more points to look at.  But, 3AS data takes up a lot of space, so you have to send the box in to upgrade memory.  Even with that, you can't fit worldwide terrain, so it's provided in smaller regions (e.g. North America, Europe, etc.).  3AS is really good for helicopter installations because of their range and mission.  It might not make as much sense for typical GA fixed wing missions.  It is applicable to all IFDs, though, not just a 550.
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It strikes me as a shame that the cool new VNav feature will be unavailable to most of the IFD users out there. I'm sure it took some time and energy to develop.

Why not have a indicator bar along the right edge of the map screen (not just the 550-only SVS page), showing your position relative to path, and perhaps a +/- ft numeric at the top showing the precise offset. That is a common way to do it with many MFDs, and would allow everyone to make use of it.

Can this be considered for a future release?

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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

It strikes me as a shame that the cool new VNav feature will be unavailable to most of the IFD users out there. I'm sure it took some time and energy to develop.

Why not have a indicator bar along the right edge of the map screen (not just the 550-only SVS page), showing your position relative to path, and perhaps a +/- ft numeric at the top showing the precise offset. That is a common way to do it with many MFDs, and would allow everyone to make use of it.

Can this be considered for a future release?

* Orest

We thought long and hard about what to do in this regard.  That kind of data really should be on a PFD.  The egocentric SVS page makes sense, but not so much in other places.  The real shame is that other systems, like PFDs, aren't open enough to just accept the data and show it.  Rest assured that Vantage PFD will show it.  I'm sure we'll keep talking about how to improve it on the IFD.
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Well, Boeing puts VPath indication on the ND (and PD), the little sliding bar on the right side with the magenta diamond. They have been in the trade, for a while.

The IFD is a navigation display (ND/MFD), and navigation is both lateral and vertical. This indication is an enroute one, for general navigation, and logically not the same as indications provided when on final approach on a PD. Other VPath indications like the TOD or required vertical descent rate or waypoint restrictions are shown on the IFD map, so really, why not the VPath indication.


Image from my original feature request, back in 2016. (BTW the arrows point to the fix circles -- another one of my requests)


Keep thinking on this!

We have the Banana (thanks), we may yet get the VNav path (for all), adding FIX circles would make it a trifecta! ;-)

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... and really, if you were concerned about the propriety of having VNav path on the map page, you could make it a user controlled option, let the user decide for themselves. There is no downside.

To me, it makes no sense to restrict it.

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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Being able to pipe portable sourced ADS-B data into the IFD is cool.

This requires setting the source to GDL90 format.

Normally you run a Stratus 3 NOT in GDL90 format, to work with ForeFlight. I'm wondering if setting the Stratus 3 to GDL90 format for the IFD, would result in losing sync with ForeFlight.

I have that question into Appareo.

* Orest

I think the way you will set up a Stratus 3i would be:

1 - Stratus 3i in open adsb mode.
2 - IFD enabling ADSB over WIFI.

Wx and traffic data will flow from the stratus to the IFD and then it will be rebroadcast from the IFD to foreflight.

So you will still be able to get Wx and Traffic on foreflight -- but it wont be coming from the stratus directly.


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Thanks, Steve-- that's what I wanted to know. I don't mind not having the guidance on my analog CDI. Next year, insh'allah, I plan to put an Aspen in to replace my current CDI/HSI combo. Haven't even considered the G5 because I put it in 3rd place behind the Aspen and GI-275. Hopefully by the time I get a shop slot there will be some motion going on here.
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Quote I think the way you will set up a Stratus 3i would be:

1 - Stratus 3i in open adsb mode.
2 - IFD enabling ADSB over WIFI.

Wx and traffic data will flow from the stratus to the IFD and then it will be rebroadcast from the IFD to foreflight.

So you will still be able to get Wx and Traffic on foreflight -- but it wont be coming from the stratus directly.


I don't believe that the 10.3 firmware will rebroadcast any ADS-B data on WiFi.

FF advises that if it sees a Stratus 3 on the network, it will insist that it be switched to encrypted mode.

But as I posted upthread, FF is aware of the new IFD capability to receive on WiFi, and is looking at it. With portable uncertified gear they can react much more quickly.

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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Quote I think the way you will set up a Stratus 3i would be:

1 - Stratus 3i in open adsb mode.
2 - IFD enabling ADSB over WIFI.

Wx and traffic data will flow from the stratus to the IFD and then it will be rebroadcast from the IFD to foreflight.

So you will still be able to get Wx and Traffic on foreflight -- but it wont be coming from the stratus directly.


I don't believe that the 10.3 firmware will rebroadcast any ADS-B data on WiFi.

FF advises that if it sees a Stratus 3 on the network, it will insist that it be switched to encrypted mode.

But as I posted upthread, FF is aware of the new IFD capability to receive on WiFi, and is looking at it. With portable uncertified gear they can react much more quickly.

* Orest


this should be simple enough to verify with 2 ipads and the IFD trainer. -- i'll try it next time i'm at my airplane (since thats where the Stratus 3i is at).
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Probably too late to add it to the 10.3 software but to put the Stratus into open mode is to send the following HEX string via a broadcast message:

C253FF5601016E37 directed port 41500 (obviously UDP as a broadcast implies that)

Maybe this can be added to a future revision as there are a lot of Stratus 3 units out there?

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We did not want to force the Stratus 3 into open ADS-B mode from the panel mounted unit. However, if you turn on "WIFI ADS-B Support" in the IFD100 app - that will send out the broadcast message you described and switch the mode automatically.
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Originally posted by AviLance AviLance wrote:

We did not want to force the Stratus 3 into open ADS-B mode from the panel mounted unit. However, if you turn on "WIFI ADS-B Support" in the IFD100 app - that will send out the broadcast message you described and switch the mode automatically.


That was very wise. From what the ForeFlight folks tell me (and no doubt you are aware) that would make the FF app unhappy. If it sees a Stratus 3 on the network, it will not pull its "open" data stream, and advise that you need to change the Stratus 3 to proprietary mode!

In any case, they also noted that they are aware of the new 10.3 feature (plotting WiFi ADS-B data), but had "no announcement to make at present".

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Where can I find the "Software Release Form" mentioned in the webinar?     I have searched the site but can only find the one for the Entegra EX5000 MFD [Entegra EX5000 MFD; Software Request Form - Avidyne Dealer Support]

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With 10.3, for an IFD 550 connected to a RDR 2000/2100 weather radar, will the 550 provide the necessary attitude information to the RDR to enable radar stabilization? I know this was discussed on previous threads as a 10.3 feature, but I did not see it mentioned in the 10.3 presentation.
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Originally posted by Toadpilot Toadpilot wrote:

With 10.3, for an IFD 550 connected to a RDR 2000/2100 weather radar, will the 550 provide the necessary attitude information to the RDR to enable radar stabilization? I know this was discussed on previous threads as a 10.3 feature, but I did not see it mentioned in the 10.3 presentation.

My understanding was that the 550 could stabilize an RDR2000/2100 prior to 10.3.

I had considered upgrading a 540 to a 550 for that reason but decided on using a GI 275 instead.
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From my research and discussions on this forum, the 550 with current software is not an approved source for attitude information for RDR stabilization. From prior discussions, the 550 AHRS has the capability to provide the necessary attitude information to the RDR, so it was supposed to be added as an approved source for the RDR with 10.3.
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Originally posted by jhbehrens jhbehrens wrote:

Thanks Steve, 10.3 looks exciting!

There was no mention of any change to the requirement that RS232 inputs and outputs connected to the same port number need to use the same baud rate, as was the case with the current version. I remember when this was introduced, it wasn't published and a few people, including me, ran into trouble. Is this change reversed in 10.3?

I believe that problem with asymmetric baud rates was addressed in 10.2.6.1 or earlier.


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Very funny!!! It feels like that. I also feel for Avidyne and the rest of the smaller avionics manufacturers who do not have dedicated DERs. I.e. Dynon, Aspen, JPI, EI, Genesys, Trio, etc. Considering it took the FAA 2 years to fix an RNAV LP approach that they screwed up at the home airport of Dutch Bros which was in Pete DeFazio's district, I'm not terribly surprised. Yeah, I know it's a different part of the FAA...

PS: the only other approach published for that airport has a MDA which is usually above the clouds.


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Maybe it's time to rerun the webinar, if only to reset the timeline on page 3 ("Weeks, not months!"), given that the presentation was at the end of April ;-)

Vince
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