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Be on the lookout over the next few days for a new IFD Trainer app for XPlane which will be available soon on the app store.
The iPad app will automatically connect to an instance of XPlane that is running on the same network. No plugin for XPlane is required. We know it works with XPlane 11 and it probably works with previous versions. You won't see a picture of the IFD if you zoom in on the XPlane cockpit. Doesn't matter, though, because you'll have a nice big IFD running full time on your iPad! |
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Robert114
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Whoo hoo, sweet! I just built a sim with XPlane 11. Can’t wait to start practicing instrument procedures using the IFD 540 Trainer instead of a faux G* GPS. This will really help with proficiency.
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doog
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Wow amazing! thank you thank you thank you
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HenryM
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Looking forward to this.
Now if you could make it work with the Redbird flight sim (BATD) that I use for currency ...
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Well, thanks for that, a step in the right direction. Any chance you will be looking at doing something similar for L-M's Prepar3d (P3D) ? * Orest
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Jmfmem
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Oh my goodness! This is such good news. I have been waiting for this for a long time. The ability to use IFDs in the simulator environment is huge for me. It really increases my “muscle memory” of working the IFDs and thus my safety and competency in single pilot IFR.
Thanks Avidyne John Freeman Memphis TN
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Jmfmem
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Do you know if the trainer can be set to drive the autopilot and interact with other instruments as a true nav/com 1 or nav/com 2?
For instance it would be great to have true VOR signal simulation to use with the IFDs. Thanks John Freeman Memphis TN
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Excellent. Thank you so much. Have been waiting for this. This is the sort of stuff that really adds value. Again, thank you.
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Edited by AviSteve - 20 Sep 2021 at 9:42am |
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AviSteve
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Yes, it will do both of those things.
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Jmfmem
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Awesome!
Well now I’m checking the App Store about 5x a day to see when it will be available. This really is a powerful development and I believe will help see more IFDs. Thanks John Freeman
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doog
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When can we expect it? been more than a few days.
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Speedbird1
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I was going to ask the same thing. I've been looking for this for sometime now!
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AviSteve
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I'm aware. We're getting there...
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Jmfmem
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Any update on availability?
Looking forward to it.
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AviSteve
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For certified software, we have FAA rules. For iPad apps, we have Apple rules :( ...
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rfriend
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Just downloaded the app. Does the app send flight plans to x-plane or receive flight plans from x-plane? Unable to do so here. The com and nav interacts bi-directional. Is it possible to post a few notes regarding capabilities. Thx rf
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Jmfmem
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I haven’t tried sending flight plans. In my initial use it seem to have a little delay or latency issue in communication over the network compared to the GPS internal to XPlane. The autopilot when driven by the IFD seemed to be slightly out of sync but would eventually correct itself. It has never done this before. It was like the correction signals were out of phase and the autopilot was over correcting and going back and forth too much and overcorrecting. This is only the initial attempts but there really doesn’t seem to be anything to adjust or configure. It may be my network is slow. Overall though I am really psyched to have this capability now. Bravo Avidyne!
John Freeman Memphis TN
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I wasn’t able to get flight plans to transfer to the default gps, is that possible? Changing frequencies on the IFD also did not set them in the sim. Hard to use without flight plan transfer because the hsi is slewed to the default gps. Would be great as a windows app because then could embed it in an air manager panel.
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AviSteve
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The iPad app cannot share flight plans with the simulated Garmin. However, the flight plan entered into the IFDXp simulator will override the flight plan in the simulated Garmin and, therefore, the autopilot will guide to the IFD flight plan. The CDI button and the nav selector (above the CDI on the 172SP sim) on Xplane are tied to the IFD nav source selection. The radios on Xplane and the IFD are tied together. I'm sure there are other features, but they really should be pretty self explanatory. The big key is that the flight plan is not shared, so you should ignore the flight plan on the simulated Garmin. |
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AviSteve
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Not quite sure what you're seeing because the radios are tied together. As I said in the previous post, the flight plan doesn't transfer, but you should just ignore the one in the simulated Garmin. The autopilot will fly the one from the IFDXp trainer.
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Sorry if I missed this, what aircraft in XPlane 11 will this work with? I have been trying a G1000 Cessna 172 and it appears the GPS/Autopilot is not working. The comm/nav frequencies do get populated. Thanks, Tim
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Clayton
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I have not been able to get any xplane 11.55 aircraft model to connect yet. Could there be any network security protocols blocking the connection? Do rxp gtn plugins need to be disabled?
have tried disabling plugins but still not able to connect. btw, foreflight has no trouble connecting to the sim, so I am stumped.
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AviSteve
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I've generally used the 172SP (non-G1000). I did just try the G1000 model and it ultimately followed the GPS but it did seem to wander for a while before it captured the path. The iPad guru says if you cycle through the CDI options on the G1000 sim once, it will follow correctly.
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AviSteve
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Could be that port 49707 is being blocked somewhere along the way (firewall, router, etc.). The TrainerXp app looks for activity on that port to determine whether xplane is running. With Xplane running, check your PC to see if that port is established (using netstat).
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I ran it but do not see anything that looks like a five digit port number. Could you post an example of what we should be seeing? I am able to see my position on foreflight running on my iPad but can not see it on the XP trainer. I pasted the settings from X-Plane below. Is there something I should changed so X-Plane broadcasts to the Avidyne XP trainer? Thanks
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gremlin
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I'm in the same boat here, my x-plane network looks like the above, but I'm seing no connection. Foreflight is working on my ipad correctly, so I think the problem is with the ifd software. I did check in my iOS settings and the trainer app says it can use local network.
netstat lists a lot of ports, 49707 is not one of them, but again foreflight works. I did try killing foreflight on my iPad and killing and restarting the trainer app in case there was a conflict, but no dice with that either |
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gremlin
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I think I got it you also need to go into the WiFi settings on your ipad (for the access point you're connected to) and turn off Private network for that setting. Now the IFD is working
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AviSteve
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I did a "netstat -a -b". Note that you have to run the command prompt in administrator mode in order for -b to work. When I did that, I got a bunch of output in the command window, the but key line was:
If you just do "netstat -a", you should be looking for:
* note that 192.168.1.180 is the IP address, on my home network, of the computer on which X-Plane is running. |
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AviSteve
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I'm glad that worked for you. However, the Wi-Fi settings on my iPad show the "Private Address" option is turned on. So, that may or may not be a silver bullet for everyone.
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gremlin
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So played with it a bit and it seems to connect in that the MAP shows the plane where it's supposed to be, but then setting a flight plan and activating it, then trying to get the plane to go there doesn't seem to work at all.
I'm using the latest version of the SR22 with the Avidyne panels and the DFC90 from Torque Sim
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netstat -b doesn't show explane.exe or anything resembling it having a port open, I just checked my firewall and have enabled xplane for both private and public networks as an attempt to fix, nothing. as I said foreflight is working just fine so I'm not sure what to try next.
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AviSteve
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I have no idea what to do with this, but perhaps check the xplane Log.txt file for the following*:
* On my computer, the Log.txt file is located in the X-Plane installation directory. My Log.txt file doesn't contain those lines, but my setup is working. If yours isn't working and you see this message, post back saying so. That may help isolate the problem.
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gremlin
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Steve,
I see nothing like that on my machine in the log.txt file in the xplane direcotry the word multicast only appears in relation to GPU and the word port does not exist in the file.
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I have noticed when using the x-plane version of the trainer that support for procedure turns and holds in approaches does not seem to function properly. Are there plans to include this at some point or does laminar not allow this? Also will there be a version of the Avidyne 100 software that will work with the X-plane version of the trainer soon? I sincerely thank the employees at Avidyne that have put the time and effort into this software. Amazing!
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AviSteve
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The xplane trainer does follow holds and procedure turns. The autopilot must be following roll steering for that to work. In the 172SP sim that I've used, the 55x needs to be in GPSS mode which means pressing NAV twice.
IFD100 10.3 will accompany the IFD 10.3 release.
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cavu
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This may seem silly but its caught me a couple of times when using iPads with x-plane. Be sure the iPads are set up on the same router as x-plane. I have one of those routers that has two built in speeds (high speed and low speed) and when booting the PC and the iPads, it sometimes switches on me to the wrong router. If you are not getting a GPS signal on the IFD, it may be that.
Quick question for Steve, Can you show a picture of your x-plane network screen, to see how you have this set up? You could add a device via a port two ways. Does send GPS signal to all apps have to checked or is your app automatically grabbing this?
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AviSteve
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Mine looks just like the one in the post above, except that I don't have "Broadcast to all mapping apps on the network" checked (because I'm not connecting xplane to ForeFlight). Also, "Accept incoming connections" at the bottom of the screen is enabled.
There is one thing that I have noticed on my setup. I use a laptop with a dock. When the laptop is docked, it prefers the ethernet to WiFi. So, if I start xplane while docked, it will transmit over the ethernet. Therefore, the iPad doesn't see xplane and won't connect. If I undock and then restart xplane, then the iPad will connect and everything works as expected. So, if you're having trouble connecting and your xplane machine has two network connections, try disabling all but the one that your iPad is connected to. Then restart xplane and see what happens.
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cavu
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The trainer xp connects, started with Alert saying No COM with vhf radio and no comm with shadin ADC, NO GPS and No position initially. GPS position goes away with a Green GPS in the upper right but that might be because I have the airport in the Flight Plan. The Flight Plan entered on 540 does not appear on the Aspen 1000 or the GNS530. I have no idea if it would navigate by it.
I have Accept incoming connections enabled. Comm radio is still XXX out now. Initially it came up but I could not hear anything when I entered ATIS. The GNS530 is on the screen also and that seems to be working. (same freq I can hear ATIS) So in summary, No COMM, No SHADIN ADC, not sure if GPS is active or not. A new device does appear in the list on the xp network screen (says internal use). Only one wifi network active.
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Tip:You can not have an air manager GNS530 on the screen or it will override any comm/nav
frequency. With the GNS530 panel off in air manager, the comms work off the IFD xp. However, the IFD xp trainer does not communicate the flight plan correctly. It will start to fly the course through the AP but then it seems to lose the GPS or something. The GPS indicator remains Green on the IFD trainer but will deviate off the course within XP. By this I mean it appears to be on the magenta line on the IFD map screen but is not aligning with either foreflight or FlyQ app. The IFD xp will show the aircraft right over the VOR but within XP the airplane is actually 1 or 2 miles away. It also signals that a turn is coming but stopped initiating the turn. It did initiate the first turn (thats how I know the AP is working). On the Aspen screen the green arrow with GPS selected initially pointed at the next fix, but the HSI CDI and the box that displays the name of the fix/VOR appears to be still tied to the G530 that comes with the plane, even if I selected Direct to that fix, The different nav sources (VOR 1/2) on the Aspen also point to the Navs (and displays their ID in the box) that come with the plane, not the IFD xp trainer values. I think Avidyne had a windows based trainer at one time, too bad that wasn't used for the IFD xp version. It would more readily fit into the sim. |
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First off thank you so much for working on an XPlane tie
in. This is a much anticipated item for me.
I cannot seem to get this to connect. As others have said
I have Foreflight connected with no issue. I have tried two different IPads and
sevealr different airplane models.
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I’m also not able to get the XP trainer to connect. I notice it is supposed to connect to XPlane 11. My flight school has XP 10.5 on their “Fly this Sim” simulator. Could that be the issue?
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cavu
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I have a FlyThisSim also, but I no longer use the aircraft that came with it and I also updated to 11.55. The sim controls work fine but since the company went out of business the aircraft are not supported.
I doubt that the FTS aircraft will work with this.
But, Make double sure the ipads are on the same network on the router. |
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Did you import new aircraft after updating XP ton11.55? Are you still able to use 11.55 with the FTS controls, screens etc? Would you message me what is involved in upgrading the FTS to 11.55 and adding aircraft. Maybe if I pass on this info, the flight school will consider doing this. I assume you are able to use the IFD XP trainer with your setup?
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I have the FTS 100 with the three large screens. I added the Cirrus panel that has the GPS530 buttons etc.
The FTS aircraft were awful and never worked well. The xplane aircraft have much better models. I recommend the vflyte arrow III v6. Its very good. Has a functioning Aspen 1000. I just updated to XP11.55 (the betas have worked too). I didn't bother removing any of the FTS plugins or aircraft. Everything works fine with the new aircraft using Air Manager for the instrument panel. I added a "knobster" and that works great particularly with the Comms/Nav. You can map the buttons on all of the FTS addons to xplane functions easily. I added lots of scenary (ortho) and use PilotEdge. Their Fiske arrival app was awesome for AirVenture. I can not get the avidyne system to work. Wish they would devote some development time to a 540/550 addon instrumentation like Garmin did with the 750. People use what they have available and they tend to buy what they are comfortable with. Its a marketing and training tool that would be very beneficial. I know a company that would convert he existing code over to a windows addon that would be compatible with Air Manager.
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Well I found my issue.
I don't know if anyone else was making the same mistake I was. The key for me is that I had no idea there are two different apps. I needed to download the IFD Trainer XP which is a completely different app than the IFD Trainer. I was ables to get it to work with the default Cessna and S-Tec autopilot. Liek mentioned above I needed to use GPSS (hit NAV twice). It followed the NAV and also the ILS Approach. I have not tried with a full flight plan yet. No luck so far on the Torquesim Cirrus but I am going to keep trying. |
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