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Originally posted by n7ifr n7ifr wrote:

Henry - Thanks for that... I, for one, did not realize that nuance for purchasing Jepp Charts thru FF.  
Does this allow Jepp for our panel device  (IFD540) plus 3 more? This would certainly add more value if FF allows Jepp on 3-devices beyond the IFD540, for example 
 . iPad - FF
 . iPad - IFD100
 . iPhone

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Charts bought through FF are only for portable devices. I don't know if you would be able to use one of those seats on a different EFB, but I think the intent is for them to be used with 3 devices running FF.

I don't think the subscription bought through FF includes use on the IFD540. I don't know if the three seats afforded by the FF subscription can be used on the IFD100, but I suspect you need to have charts on the panel-mount IFD for them to show up on the IFD100.

I know this topic is confusing. Hopefully we can clear things up during this conversation.

My understanding is that if you want charts on the IFD, you buy them from Jeppesen. If you want them for Foreflight, you can buy a seat from Jeppesen (perhaps even bundled with the IFD database) or you can buy a subscription for up to 3 devices from FF.


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The saga continues....I got the $299 navdata last year on the first day it was offered. Just got an invoice for renewal at $491 for full usa navdata only (same thing).
I called--recording said wait was 85 minutes - I opted for the "call me" option. 2+ hours later I got a call from Jepp but they hung up on the 2nd ring. I then tried the online chat. After being number one in queue for some time it flipped to no chat available and leave an email. Next I simply replied to the email invoice (captain) with a link to avidyne price list and this morning there was an email with a correct (proforma) invoice and a link to pay online. Unfortunately, it had no invoice number on it and can't be used to pay. So I've emailed back asking for an invoice number. I'm sure I'll eventually have to call them and start from scratch.
The only thing keeping them going is a virtual monopoly on the market.
My thanks to Avidyne for helping to keep us from being gouged.

Update--next morning I tried phone again and it was a 65 minute estimate. I then tried Chat, only waited 5 minutes and billing issue taken care of in a few minutes. Also, the Captain email did eventually respond and was willing to help. So, if you have issues, try chat and/or email if you don't want to hang on the phone for a long time.


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Originally posted by Flybuddy Flybuddy wrote:

The saga continues....I got the $299 navdata last year on the first day it was offered. Just got an invoice for renewal at $491 for full usa navdata only (same thing).
I called--recording said wait was 85 minutes - I opted for the "call me" option. 2+ hours later I got a call from Jepp but they hung up on the 2nd ring. I then tried the online chat. After being number one in queue for some time it flipped to no chat available and leave an email. Next I simply replied to the email invoice (captain) with a link to avidyne price list and this morning there was an email with a correct (proforma) invoice and a link to pay online. Unfortunately, it had no invoice number on it and can't be used to pay. So I've emailed back asking for an invoice number. I'm sure I'll eventually have to call them and start from scratch.
The only thing keeping them going is a virtual monopoly on the market.
My thanks to Avidyne for helping to keep us from being gouged.

LOL - Sad but true, been there, done that!  All we can do is hope (not breath holding) Avidyne can/will branch out of their Jep-contract and allow Seattle Avionics to play!

Tom W.


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While were talking Jepp/IFD Updates...

The aircraft
RV-10 with Skyview HDX an IFD440, dedicated IPad w/ ForeFlight for flight planning and a dedicated IPad for the IFD100 app emulating the IFD550.

I normally only update these types of subscriptions on a once a year schedule not an annual subscription.

Will the below pricing work for the above scenario?


Now to throw a kink into all of this...

What would be required to add an additional seat to have Jepp charts on my IPad?  Could these be all bundled up together?

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The $299 package will get you Full USA Nav Data for your IFD440 and the IFD100, but will not include anything for Foreflight.

Adding charts depends on whether you want to see them on Foreflight or on IFD100.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HenryM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 11:57am
I don't know what happens if there is a mismatch between the IFD100 emulation and the actual device it is connected to. I assume at minimum you won't get the AHRS function of the 550 since the 440 doesn't have it. Have you tried this? What does the IFD100 display when you press the SVS key.

The subscription you link to is what I have for my IFD540 and works fine with Foreflight and the IFD100 app. I have the IFD100 set to emulate the IFD540. Foreflight doesn't really have anything to do with the subscription.

I am considering Jepp charts, but I will likely get them through Foreflight. I don't find them that useful on my IFD540, and I don't use the IFD100 very much since the large screen on the panel is enough for me, except for approach charts. I prefer to use Foreflight for that function.

Note that the charts included in various bundles at the page you linked to are only for use with the Avidyne components (IFD540/550 and IFD100). They do not work with Foreflight. I think you can buy different licenses direct from Jeppesen that can be used in mobile devices. However, getting them from Foreflight provides for use in all the devices the FF license works on. So you get more seats by buying from FF than from Jepp.


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Steve,

Will that also cover the db for the IFD Trainer app as well?
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I am able to download the Jepp databases to the Trainer app, based on my Jepp subscription. If you don't have a subscription, they also provide demo databases.
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Originally posted by steve.crimm@stephens steve.crimm@stephens wrote:

Will that also cover the db for the IFD Trainer app as well?
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Just want to clear things up in my mind! I have a subscription for my IFD540 and one device for my IFD100. Additionally, can I download the Jeppesen Navdata on the IFD trainer on a third device (Ipad) to train my instructor or do I need another subscription?
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Originally posted by drapo drapo wrote:

Just want to clear things up in my mind! I have a subscription for my IFD540 and one device for my IFD100. Additionally, can I download the Jeppesen Navdata on the IFD trainer on a third device (Ipad) to train my instructor or do I need another subscription?
I'm hoping it was just a terminology thing in your post, but you don't need a separate subscription for the IFD100.

If you have one of the bundled subscriptions for your IFD540, it comes with support for up to two IFD100 apps (i.e. two iPads running the app).  The ala carte subscription for nav data (e.g. the $299 deal) comes with support for one IFD100.

The good news is that the IFD100 and the trainer app both use the exact same data when installed on the same iPad.  Therefore, even if you have only the ala carte subscription, you can use both the IFD100 and the trainer app on the same iPad.

So, the answer to your post depends on which kind of subscription you have.  If you have the ala carte subscription, you cannot load the Jepp data on a second iPad and let your instructor use that while you use the IFD100 on your iPad.  If you have a bundled subscription, you can.
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Thanks, that clears things up. For my instructor to have access to the IFD subscription, it would have to be on the same device as the IFD 100 unless I chose the pricier subscription with two devices.
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Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

The good news is that the IFD100 and the trainer app both use the exact same data when installed on the same iPad.  Therefore, even if you have only the ala carte subscription, you can use both the IFD100 and the trainer app on the same iPad.

Steve, in one of the online webinars, Tom showed us how to connect one iPad running the IFD100 to another iPad running the trainer app. This allowed the IFD100 to control the trainer app just like it would control the actual IFD in the plane.

If I were to buy the a la carte ($299) data subscription, am I still able to connect the two iPads (one running the IFD100 and the other running the trainer), or does that require the bundle?

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Originally posted by SoCalIFDpilot SoCalIFDpilot wrote:

Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

The good news is that the IFD100 and the trainer app both use the exact same data when installed on the same iPad.  Therefore, even if you have only the ala carte subscription, you can use both the IFD100 and the trainer app on the same iPad.

Steve, in one of the online webinars, Tom showed us how to connect one iPad running the IFD100 to another iPad running the trainer app. This allowed the IFD100 to control the trainer app just like it would control the actual IFD in the plane.

If I were to buy the a la carte ($299) data subscription, am I still able to connect the two iPads (one running the IFD100 and the other running the trainer), or does that require the bundle?

Thanks!
Both iPads need to have the same navigation database in order to share flight plans.  So, you would need a subscription that supports more than one iPad, which means ala carte won't do the trick.  You'll still be able to connect, but some features just won't be available (like sharing flight plans).  Simple things like tuning radios will work though.
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I renewed my subscription with Jepp today and since I want Jepp charts on my IFD 100, Foreflight and my panel mounts, there is not an Avidyne bundle for me.  I asked about getting an Oshkosh promotion since the show was not held and was told that they did extend a 10% courtesy to NEW subscribers only during the week that Oshkosh would have been (not to existing customers)and I don't qualify for that.
When I persisted,  I was told that AOPA members get a 10% discount on renewal.  I never knew that and was never offered that information but hopefully others can now use it to their advantage on renewal.  Just give the rep your AOPA number and ask for the 10% courtesy.
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Originally posted by teeth6 teeth6 wrote:

I renewed my subscription with Jepp today and since I want Jepp charts on my IFD 100, Foreflight and my panel mounts, there is not an Avidyne bundle for me.  I asked about getting an Oshkosh promotion since the show was not held and was told that they did extend a 10% courtesy to NEW subscribers only during the week that Oshkosh would have been (not to existing customers)and I don't qualify for that.
When I persisted,  I was told that AOPA members get a 10% discount on renewal.  I never knew that and was never offered that information but hopefully others can now use it to their advantage on renewal.  Just give the rep your AOPA number and ask for the 10% courtesy.
AFAIK, the old bundles are still available.  Did Jeppesen tell you otherwise?  Were you able to talk to Bonnie?
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Unfortunately, Bonnie has left left Jepp. I was really sorry to hear that.  Do you happen to have anyone else who is as good as she was?
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That is too bad.  Sadly, I don't have any other contacts in that group.
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AFAIK, the old bundles are still available.  Did Jeppesen tell you otherwise?  Were you able to talk to Bonnie?[/QUOTE]

Jepp told me that none of their bundles would give me Jepp charts on the panel mounts, the IFD 100 AND Foreflight.  They said the best I could do is get a bundle for the panel mount and IFD 100 and then buy Jepp charts on Foreflight which didn't make sense to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chflyer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Sep 2020 at 3:46am
The cooperation between ForeFlight and Jeppesen doesn't include Jeppesen's aircraft avionics support. That is still completely separate.
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Originally posted by teeth6 teeth6 wrote:

Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

AFAIK, the old bundles are still available.  Did Jeppesen tell you otherwise?  Were you able to talk to Bonnie?


Jepp told me that none of their bundles would give me Jepp charts on the panel mounts, the IFD 100 AND Foreflight.  They said the best I could do is get a bundle for the panel mount and IFD 100 and then buy Jepp charts on Foreflight which didn't make sense to me.
Let me get with my contact at Jeppesen and see what's going on.  I already have another issue I've been trying to get him to resolve, so I'll try to get clarification on this at the same time.
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Great.  Thanks. I’ll hold off paying my invoice for now. 
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